Rust Member Username: Rust
Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 64.118.136.130
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 8:42 am: | |
Will the momentum last? It is sounding and looking almost to good to be true! http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20051202/B IZ/512020339/1001 I couldn't be happier about the revitalization of the lower Woodward cooridor but is this real? Will it spread to the Capital Park, Park st etc. etc.? |
Bobj Member Username: Bobj
Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 68.40.89.238
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 9:13 am: | |
It is truly amazing all that has happened in the last 5 years or so in that stretch - I never would have belived it. |
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander
Post Number: 1359 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 150.198.150.245
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 9:57 am: | |
No quote from that Peter Zeiler dude very disappointing. |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 358 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 194.138.39.53
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:16 am: | |
I say, Raspberries to the Nay-sayers! This town will revive itself, in spite of itself. How about we stop being astounded or shocked and be proud and active! A city is not a collection of a bunch of buildings. A City is a collection of PEOPLE. WE are the ones who make this town great... but nice, renovated buildings definitely makes it nicer. :-) Keep it up, Detroit! |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1189 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.187.234
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:16 am: | |
Look, someone's going to ask for it so I might as well ... "Any pics? I'm having a hard time picturing these buildings." |
Itsjeff
Member Username: Itsjeff
Post Number: 5105 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 208.27.111.125
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 11:20 am: | |
We should get this out of the way, too: This story has already been posted. Use the damn search feature, morons! https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/60904.html?1133532997 |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 359 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 194.138.39.53
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 11:36 am: | |
LMGAO @ itsjeff! |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 722 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 204.39.227.162
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:00 pm: | |
LMSAO @ itsjeff |
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster
Post Number: 1190 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.61.187.234
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:45 pm: | |
Seriously, this place can be surprisingly predictable. "Link please." |
Toolbox
Member Username: Toolbox
Post Number: 755 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:54 pm: | |
quote:Itsjeff We should get this out of the way, too: This story has already been posted. Use the damn search feature, morons! https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/60904.html?1133532997
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Sknutson
Member Username: Sknutson
Post Number: 390 Registered: 03-2004 Posted From: 67.114.23.202
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 2:49 pm: | |
I think Detroitduo has coined a great new city slogan: Detroit: Reviving Itself In Spite of Itself. I love it! |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1548 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.6.49
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 4:09 pm: | |
I mentioned this before on another thread, but it bears reposting. About 5 years ago Preservation Wayne started sponsoring "Loft Development Workshops" where they brought in loft development experts from around the country, as well local folks who were experts in historic tax credits, etc. and got them together with metro Detroit business folks who were interested in rehabbing old buildings. Although not quantifiable, I am sure it helped spur the current frenzy (someone had to start the stampede!). Hats off to Katherine Clarkson (former PW executive director, who coordinated these activities) and other Preservation Wayne folks who helped in this endeavor! (P.S. I was not involved.) It is activities like these, cleaning out the National Theatre for future development, offering tours (downtown skyscraper, midtown, Eastern Market, historic theatres, historic churches) and other activities that makes being a member of Preservation Wayne a very satisfying experience. This is especially true when so much redevelopment is taking place. Who says preservationists are bad? (Message edited by gistok on December 02, 2005) |
E_hemingway Member Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 68.42.176.123
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 4:36 pm: | |
Are those Loft Development Workshops still offered? I looked through preservation wayne's web site and did a google search, but came up with nothing. |
Gistok Member Username: Gistok
Post Number: 1549 Registered: 08-2004 Posted From: 4.229.81.76
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:03 pm: | |
E_hemingway, no they are not. I don't remember exactly when the last one was held, possibly 2 years ago. I don't know why they are no longer held. There was a PW money crunch at that time, and executive director Katherine Clarkson was let go (which worked out OK since she had ill elderly parents in PA to tend to, so she moved there). (Damn I miss her Christmas parties in her large Highland Park house, where I got to meet a lot of Detroit's preservation hoi poloi.) |
Skulker Member Username: Skulker
Post Number: 3211 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.42.176.88
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 10:35 pm: | |
quote:About 5 years ago Preservation Wayne started sponsoring "Loft Development Workshops" where they brought in loft development experts from around the country, as well local folks who were experts in historic tax credits, etc. and got them together with metro Detroit business folks who were interested in rehabbing old buildings.
Indeed they did, in conjunction with the Greater Downtown Partnership assisting with contacts and logistics. Incendentally, at that time, the GDP was functionally the real estate arm of the DDA.
quote:Although not quantifiable, I am sure it helped spur the current frenzy (someone had to start the stampede!).
In the subject area, Woodward between Jefferson and Grand Circus Park, there are two buildings that were privately converted into lofts 6-10 years ago. (The Schwankovsky Temple of Music and the one Oslo is in.) At least one has benefitted from the facade improvement program. Then there are six buildings in Merchants Row and three in Lofts of Woodward. In each of these projects, the City of Detroit DDA acquired the majority of the buildings for the projects and loaned money for the projects. Absent these two actions by the DDA, neither project would be occuring. The three recently DDA acquired buildings that are the subject of the article will be flipped as well as indicated in the article to duplicate the type of development seen at MRow and LoW. 600 Woodward was acquired by the City, transferred to the DDA for dipsosition and will be converted in to 10 loft units with retail and some office space. Without the participation of the DDA in assisting and financing a portion of the litigation need for the clearing of title the building would still be in limbo. The building is also receiving DDA facade grant dollars. 1001 is currently converting the majority of the building to lofts with loans ans assistance for the parking deck construction from the DDA. There are two loft conversion projects occuring south side of MRow. One is being done without permits, the other is being assisted, if I am not mistaken, by the DDA facade improvement program. The the Aizer building on Woodward and Grand River is being converted to lofts, again with facade improvemnt dollars from the DDA. There are three other DDA facade improvement grants at at Himmelhoch, A&M Coney Island and the Tall Eez building. |
Merchantgander Member Username: Merchantgander
Post Number: 1366 Registered: 01-2005 Posted From: 68.42.168.234
| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 11:28 am: | |
Skulker, would you please get off your ass and tell the rest of the DDA folks to get off theirs and start doing some work. Damm lazy asses please get something done. |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1270 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:29 pm: | |
There are lofts in the Oslo building? It doesn't look like it. I don't ever remember seeing lights on at night. We're talking about the green and white building on the east side of Woodward on the corner just north of the LoW project, right? |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 688 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.212.226.28
| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:36 pm: | |
there used to be llyn. it's called the rose center jewelry building. i think it was one unit per floor at a fairly reasonable price. long waiting llist. i talked to the owner there several years ago and he was very nice. they might be renovating or something, 'cuz i haven't seen anybody in there for a little while now... |
Toolbox
Member Username: Toolbox
Post Number: 759 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 69.14.125.129
| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:39 pm: | |
quote:Llyn There are lofts in the Oslo building?
For about the last 20 years. |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1271 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 9:30 pm: | |
Um... "In the subject area, Woodward between Jefferson and Grand Circus Park, there are two buildings that were privately converted into lofts 6-10 years ago. (The Schwankovsky Temple of Music and the one Oslo is in.)" |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 2331 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 68.249.241.217
| Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 2:30 am: | |
Lyn, Those have been lofts, albeat illegally, for at least 15 years. I watched the Thanksgiving Parade 12 years ago from the balcony of my friends loft in the The Schwankovsky Temple of Music. Another friend of mine lived in the Oslo Bldg for quite a few years. Damn, I miss those days of true lofts, not just apartments with high ceilings with exposed ductwork, |
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81
Post Number: 831 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 64.142.86.133
| Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 4:03 am: | |
Its gotta start somewhere, and I think this is it. Hopefully the critical mass will be reached and the rest just flows from there. |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1272 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 10:14 pm: | |
Well, they're not occupied now. When I was downtown yesterday, the upper floors look empty and some of the windows are boarded up. I assume that some building owner someplace must aware of an opportunity here. Buildings on almost every side have been successfully developed. |
Restoretheroar Member Username: Restoretheroar
Post Number: 640 Registered: 07-2004 Posted From: 192.193.220.149
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 1:08 pm: | |
Instead of starting a new thread- does anybody have any updates on any of the following developments? 1. Comos on Woodward 2. Fort Shelby start date 3. Book Cadillac financing and actual start date 4. East Riverfront parcel announcement. 5. Madison Theatre timeline 6. Chelis CHili Timeline 7. CLiffs Bell timeline 8. Athens Bar location havent heard any news lately and not much has been announced development wise in a while. Wondering if any of the "insiders" have heard anything. |
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua
Post Number: 435 Registered: 01-2004 Posted From: 64.252.152.190
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 1:13 pm: | |
Some pictures of the new developments would be greatly appreciated as well. |
Detroitkev Member Username: Detroitkev
Post Number: 30 Registered: 04-2005 Posted From: 66.178.218.40
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 1:54 pm: | |
I would imagine the Comos, Chelli's Chilli, and Cliff Bells will be done prior to Superbowl. Book Cadillac should start construction prior to Superbowl. |
Brandon48202 Member Username: Brandon48202
Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2004 Posted From: 68.248.15.192
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 2:08 pm: | |
DetroitKev, Can you please please please help me lease this? http://detroit.craigslist.org/ apa/117420743.html |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1282 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 2:14 pm: | |
Comos will be done by the superbowl? |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1290 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 6:37 pm: | |
bump inquiring minds want to know... |
Lurker Member Username: Lurker
Post Number: 1518 Registered: 10-2003 Posted From: 65.196.220.198
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 6:46 pm: | |
That was the word 5 months ago: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/50492/50046.html?1121200 420 |
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026
Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 8:15 pm: | |
Cheli's Chili Bar will be done by the Super Bowl. I dont think that Como's had planned on opening prior to the super bowl Book-Cadillac..when i talked to KK spokesman Eddie McDonald he said there should be a financing announcement by the end of the year..who knows |
Freakylilgnome Member Username: Freakylilgnome
Post Number: 101 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 67.163.40.48
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 10:35 pm: | |
Never doubt the "D"! |
Sfdet Member Username: Sfdet
Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 69.109.200.94
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 1:49 am: | |
quote: "Book-Cadillac..when i talked to KK spokesman Eddie McDonald he said there should be a financing announcement by the end of the year.." from what year is mr. mcdonald's statement above? is it: a. 2003 b. 2004 c. 2005 d. all of the above correct answer: d. all of the above (Message edited by sfdet on December 13, 2005) |
Eric Member Username: Eric
Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2004 Posted From: 35.8.141.103
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 2:10 am: | |
According Fress Press story on the hotel financing should close next Monday. Anyone know how "immediately" the construction will start?
quote:Ferchill has scheduled a closing date on his financing package for Dec. 19, with construction expected to start immediately after.
(Message edited by eric on December 14, 2005) |
Genesyxx Member Username: Genesyxx
Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2004 Posted From: 209.69.165.10
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 10:26 am: | |
I got a Q: What about all that land north of I-75 on Woodward????? |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1294 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 4:03 pm: | |
If you're talking about the west side of Woodward just noth of the motown buildings, there are condos and retail slated for that area. |
Motorcitymayor2026 Member Username: Motorcitymayor2026
Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 71.10.63.140
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 5:27 pm: | |
Haha true. This was just a couple of weeks before the election in an interview I did with him. |
Detroitduo Member Username: Detroitduo
Post Number: 385 Registered: 06-2005 Posted From: 84.156.31.229
| Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 8:07 pm: | |
Llyn, condos/retail has been slated for that side of woodward for 6 years (when I moved across the street on the east side of Woodward). I will believe it will happen, when I see it... and the same goes for the Motown Museum "complex" which Mr. Berry has said will go in on the corner. One this is correct, there is a master plan... but there has been no movement on it... other than making parking lots... |
Llyn
Member Username: Llyn
Post Number: 1302 Registered: 06-2004 Posted From: 68.61.197.206
| Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 11:59 am: | |
Just sheer guesswork, but if Crosswinds is still the developer, I wonder if they're waiting to complete the lofts at new center before starting - so they don't spread themselves too thin. Makes sense, and NC is almost complete. Either way, I'm thinking that the development will definitely happen at some point. Don't you think any other conclusion would be rediculous?! The motown thing I've become extremely skeptical of... they had a time table and architect and local office and were, you know, moving forward on it for sure. That was a couple years ago. |
Northend Member Username: Northend
Post Number: 482 Registered: 10-2005 Posted From: 69.212.227.66
| Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2005 - 12:04 pm: | |
Llyn, the lofts at new center are completed. I think they have 9 built units left to sell (facing Woodward). Crosswinds ended up scraping the last phase that was supposed to butt against Seward and its Section 8. |