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Post Number: 1737
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 2:40 pm: |    |
Fuck that Obama and his transparent presidency based on informing Americans how he and his administration are planning to fight the economic depression...what a douche nozzle |
Flyingj
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Username: Flyingj
Post Number: 408
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 4:13 pm: | |
D_mcc, I dunno what happend to that "5 Day Pledge" either;
http://www.politico.com/politi co44/perm/0209/5day_rule_91d92 b6f-61a2-4122-a110-f5d9c082755 b.html
Philm, Reagan wasn't involved in Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac;
http://www.businessandmedia.or g/articles/2008/20080924145932 .aspx |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 4:36 pm: | |
Admins...
Please move this to where it belongs... with the other political bashing on Non-Detroit Issues. |
Angry_dad
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Post Number: 350
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 4:39 pm: | |
Damn, I was expecting some questions like "How hot was it????" or something like "Hey Barack, wanna go for a ride in the Blastolene Special?" If you don't know, that's Jay's car with the Packard (correct me if wrong) tank motor in it.
I guess I don't expect or want political "leadership" that treats me like everything they do is beyond anything I can understand. You know, lie to me like the bastards on Wall Street or any "financial adviser" does on a regular basis. |
Thames
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Username: Thames
Post Number: 425
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 5:05 pm: | |
Ok Angry_dad, I get your drift here. How about this:
Mr. President, according to the love doctor on Fox2 in Detroit, you and the missus like fisting, is that true? 
It's a joke. In case anyone has forgotten, here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e73_eHBJWng
(Message edited by thames on March 18, 2009) |
Angry_dad
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Post Number: 351
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 5:29 pm: | |
Tell ya what, there are times this site needs a bit of going off track.
Lots of good banter but...... C'mon, you only go around once. |
Thames
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Username: Thames
Post Number: 426
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 18, 2009 - 8:14 pm: | |
^^You don't like my question?^^ |
Otter
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Post Number: 680
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 11:10 am: | |
Geez, did some people put a few too many drops of bitters in their coffee this morning?
O. |
Zrx_doug
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Post Number: 879
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 1:47 pm: | |
How 'bout Jay asks him why it's OK for AIG to donate $100,000+ of taxpayer "bailout" money to the Obama campaign, but not to use that same money for contracted executive bonuses.
Might also wanna ask him why he's upset about those bonuses when it was HIS administration that added the last minute wording to the "stimulus" bill that guaranteed their legality. |
Danindc
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Post Number: 4587
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 1:59 pm: | |
quote:How 'bout Jay asks him why it's OK for AIG to donate $100,000+ of taxpayer "bailout" money to the Obama campaign, but not to use that same money for contracted executive bonuses.
How 'bout you tell us when the campaign donations were made, vis-a-vis when the bottom fell out of the company? Are you certain those campaign donations were funded by taxpayers?
quote:Might also wanna ask him why he's upset about those bonuses when it was HIS administration that added the last minute wording to the "stimulus" bill that guaranteed their legality.
Jay might also want to ask Obama why he finds it necessary to keep the government from committing abrogation at will. |
Flyingj
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 2:09 pm: | |
Obama Live from (Electric) Car Plant...In California Sorry, Tesla
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/li venow?id=6718386 |
Flyingj
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Post Number: 410
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 2:15 pm: | |
Ouch, Obama disses the Davison & refers to Cali as home of "the First Freeway" he's obvsly thinkin' of the 110;
http://jalopnik.com/cars/inter state/americas-first-freeway-t he-110-184330.php
Nobody lists Califrnia as home of "the 1st gas station" either;
http://www.jetcityorange.com/S eattle/Worlds-First-Gas-Statio n.html |
Zrx_doug
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Post Number: 881
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 2:23 pm: | |
My apologies..was quoting an article which has since been either corrected or "disappeared" from the Washington Post, which erroneously stated that the following donations were made AFTER last fall's TARP bailout money was issued.
1. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., $103,100
2. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., $101,332
3. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., $59,499
4. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., $35,965
5. Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., $24,750
6. Former Gov. Mitt Romney, (R) Pres $20,850
7. Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., $19,975
8. Rep. John Larson, D-Conn, $19,750
9. Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H., $18,500
10. Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R) Pres $13,200
11. Rep. Paul Kanjorski, D-Pa., $12,000
12. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., $11,000
As you say, the above contributions were made pre-bailout.
Still, the question of why all the noise about bonuses that were guaranteed by a last-minute amendment to the "stimulus" plan (at the administration's behest) is a valid one.
Actually, as of night before last, Obama was all for "committing abrogation" by taxing the bonuses as near to 100% as possible. Has this changed since the shit hit the fan re: Dodd's "stimulus" amendment? |
Danindc
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 2:40 pm: | |
quote:Actually, as of night before last, Obama was all for "committing abrogation" by taxing the bonuses as near to 100% as possible.
Taxation is well within the purview of Congress. Breaking the bailout contracts, on the other hand, would have terrible repercussions. Companies and other nations invest in our nation specifically because of our belief in the rule of law. Abrogation calls that belief into question. |
Zrx_doug
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Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:10 pm: | |
Selective taxation of this nature is nothing less than de-facto abrogation.
Writing the rules as you see fit, and then changing them to your benefit after the game has already been played isn't exactly a trait which I believe would lead "companies and other nations" to do business with us.
Sorry for the off-topic meandering.
But I would like to see Leno (or anyone) toss a few hardball questions to Mr. Obama. |
Danindc
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:25 pm: | |
quote:Selective taxation of this nature is nothing less than de-facto abrogation.
Taxing bonuses is not the same as breaking the bailout contract--unless, of course, the contract specifies the precise terms of taxation to which the bonuses will be subjected.
But hey, I suppose it's only wrong to throw tax dollars at people when those people are poor, right? |
Zrx_doug
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Post Number: 883
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:33 pm: | |
Nope, it's wrong to waste taxpayer dollars in any manner. However, it's also wrong to steal legitimate taxpayer earnings thru unfair taxation, regardless of how unpalatable one finds those earnings.
I don't have anything against helping the poor through federal programs. One point has nothing to do with the other. You are approving of government theft because you don't particularly like the people being stolen from, while I don't approve of it at all regardless of the victim.
Nice attempt though.
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Danindc
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:58 pm: | |
quote:I don't have anything against helping the poor through federal programs. One point has nothing to do with the other. You are approving of government theft because you don't particularly like the people being stolen from, while I don't approve of it at all regardless of the victim.
No, I disapprove of the bonuses because:
1) the company is 80% taxpayer owned. If government employees received annual bonuses, the right-wing would be shitting bricks that we're wasting taxpayer dollars. AIG employees are beholden to the shareholders, and that's you and me.
2) Bonuses simply aren't deserved. Normally, you get a bonus by creating value for the company. If you run it into the ground, no bonus. Why are we paying millionaires millions of public dollars for doing a piss-poor job, and sticking the taxpayers with a huge liability in the process? I'm not gonna go as far as Chuck Grassley, but any of these morons that doesn't return his bonus voluntarily could starve in a gutter for all I care.
It's not as if these bastards "earned" their bonuses, and you know it. I don't know why you have to defend millionaires who love nothing more to fuck people like you and me for breakfast. |
Zrx_doug
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:24 pm: | |
Government employees DO recieve annual bonuses.
Look up "postmaster general" and see how the Fed treats it's employees who are heading a declining division.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic s/2009/02/18/postmaster-genera l-gets-pay-bonus-agency-falter s/
The company wasn't "taxpayer owned" at the time the employee contracts were written. If revisions were to be made as a stipulation of receiving "bailout" funds, the time to make those revisions was BEFORE the deal was done, not after.
No, I don't particularly have any love for AIG, or for it's employees who are (literally) making out like bandits..but I have less love for a government that makes up rules as it goes along.
But hey, if ya absolutely gotta hate on a millionaire, Nancy Pelosi would make a good starting point..
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Retroit
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Post Number: 1009
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 6:21 pm: | |
Jay: "Obama, would you please give us a big laugh by telling us that you know what you are doing?" |
401don
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Post Number: 961
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 7:56 pm: | |
Leave Obama alone. You think he's not thinking about Detroit? Did you see how much time he spent on his NCAA brackets today? And where's the final four? I rest my case. |
Mikeg
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 8:46 am: | |
"it was like the Special Olympics, or something."
Was that Obama or Biden who showed up last night?
Smitty missed giving him the rim shot because he was busy picking his jaw up off the floor.
After this, I think that it's pretty evident that Obama should stick to his day job and telepromptered remarks.
Maybe AG Eric Holder will find the courage to deliver a lecture challenging the nation to start an “honest conversation” on the "intellectually disabled" and remind everyone, including his boss, that all citizens deserve dignity, acceptance, and a chance to reach one’s potential. |
Rjk
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:14 am: | |
The one good thing that will come from this is that a group of Special Olympians will soon be making an appearance at the White House bowling alley. Right now they're probably scouring the Special Olympian bowling circuit for someone who can top a 129 score.
Is anyone surprised by this? You put someone in situation where they feel they have to be funny and this is what you get. Just a hunch but my guess is that a comment like that wouldn't be made during an interview with Mike Wallace. |
Ongowwah
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:47 am: | |
Firstandten quote: First of all Obama never promise to stop the earmarks, he promised earmark reform and he has laid out what he wants to see as far as transparency.
WHAT ABOUT THIS????
Obama pledges to end earmarks
January 7, 2009
WASHINGTON (JTA) -- President-elect Barack Obama pledged to end earmarks, the pet projects lawmakers slip into spending bills.
Most presidents in recent years have sought the power to remove from spending bills the discretionary items lawmakers insert for their pet projects and home districts, often having little to do with the main body of the legislation.
In a news conference Tuesday on his plans to reform the economy, Obama said he would "ban all earmarks," although he did not say how.
Jewish groups that lobby for federal spending on health care and poverty relief often rely on earmarks to advance their programs. NORCs, or naturally occurring retirement communities, the program pioneered by federations that facilitates care for retired people close to their homes, was established through earmarks.
William Daroff, the director of the Washington office of the United Jewish Communities, said he hoped Obama would distinguish between productive earmarks and "pork" -- those that benefit only a few people.
"Throughout the campaign, the president-elect distinguished between bad earmarks -- pork that corrupts our political system -- and good earmarks -- worthy programs that fund necessary social service programs in innovative ways," Daroff told JTA in an e-mail. "I am confident that the President-elect and his team understand this distinction, and will work tirelessly to eliminate corrupt pork, while preserving programs that are funded in above-board and transparent ways." |
Jcole
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:48 am: | |
Why is this on the Discuss Detroit side of the forums? |
Alan55
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Post Number: 2624
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:04 am: | |
Isn't it great that all of the angry right-wingers have a community club like this to go to and bitch about, well, anything and everything? Enjoy. |
Benfield
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Post Number: 164
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:07 am: | |
quote:"it was like the Special Olympics, or something."
I for one am grateful that we have a President who isn't afraid of the politically correct thought police and is willing to tell a joke.
I know the Glenn Beck emo right will be upset but they are as worthless as Gloria Allred feminists. Seriously, stop crying and be a man. |
Stosh
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:12 am: | |
Amen to that. Benefield. I can't say it was the most tactful statement, but you know where Leno was going with the statements immediately preceding Obama's. Context is everything. |
Wally
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:12 am: | |
quote:I for one am grateful that we have a President who isn't afraid of the politically correct thought police and is willing to tell a joke. Yeah, it's nice to have a president who insensitively jokes about the mentally handicapped.
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Jcole
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:15 am: | |
quote:Yeah, it's nice to have a president who insensitively jokes about the mentally handicapped.
Better than having a pres who IS mentally handicapped. |
Retroit
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:33 am: | |
That's what happens when Obama doesn't have his Teleprompters to read off of. So much for his "great speaking abilities". I hope he wasn't insulting the mentally challenged. That would be a terrible thing to do to the people who voted for you. |
Ongowwah
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:55 am: | |
You must be referring to "T.O.T.U.S"? The Official Teleprompter of the United States. :-) |
Benfield
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:07 am: | |
quote:You must be referring to "T.O.T.U.S"? The Official Teleprompter of the United States. :-)
And the problem with reading from prepared remarks is what exactly? You do know that Hemingway's novels weren't first drafts, right?
[ Insert 18 retarded smiley faces here ] |
Firstandten
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:10 am: | |
Ongowwah- the quote you referred to was in the context of the stimilus bill which for the exception of some minor earmarks was correct.
In the spirit of what Jcole said and I'm in agreement, this conversation should go over to the non-detroit side. So Ongowwah throw some more right wing talking points out there and I'll fact check your statements and respond on that side of the board. |
Sstashmoo
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:29 am: | |
"Call me impatient, but in 80 when Reagan took office and the economy was in the throes, he jumped on it and things happened in days, not months."
Quote: "Wow, do you have a short memory or what."
As opposed to those with no memory of it. I was here in the late 70's. The economy around here at that time was horrible. Many burgs in the area had unemployment rates nearing 50%. When Reagan took office, this area started improving immediately. I don't care what someone writes on their blog now. I remember it perfectly and I'm referring to Detroit. The city that feels it first and heals first. Love him or hate him, he fixed the Democrat's mess. And as far as him laying the ground work for what we're seeing now, one needs to look to the Clinton's with their NAFTA and all the other insane trade policies they implemented. That our present cabinet obviously feels must continue. We're screwed, Period. |
Bobl
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:44 am: | |
S: Your quote: "When Reagan took office, this area started improving immediately." is just plain wrong. As I recall, he was elected in 1980. 1982 and 1983 were the worst years for layoffs in Michigan, exceeding the rates of the 1950s recession.
He began the "deregulation" fervor that resulted in the Savings and Loan debacle, which was, in effect, a "practice run" for the even worse deregulation of financial institutions brought about by the Gramm 1999 "reform" act.
I agree that NAFTA and other trade policies were also disastrous, and, unfortunately, I agree with your statement that "We're screwed". |
Benfield
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 11:45 am: | |
quote:When Reagan took office, this area started improving immediately. I don't care what someone writes on their blog now. I remember it perfectly and I'm referring to Detroit.
From today's Free Press:
quote:The unemployment rate in Detroit hit 22.2% during January, the highest rate in 26 years.
2009 - 26 = 1983
http://www.freep.com/article/2 0090320/BUSINESS06/903200365/D etroit+s+jobless+rate+hits+26- year+high+at+22.2+
I'd love to see some documentation of 50% unemployment in the late 1970's. |
Retroit
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Post Number: 1024
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 12:29 pm: | |
Folks, Presidents don't control the economy. They merely preside over the over-growth of government and the over-extortion of our hard-earned money. |
D_mcc
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 12:35 pm: | |
And once again...Bitch at Clinton for SIGNING NAFTA...not Bush for Negotiating the damn thing during his presidency... |
Thames
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 6:44 pm: | |
Glass-Steagall Act was repealed under Clinton's watch. |
D_mcc
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Post Number: 1745
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 6:51 pm: | |
Yes...It was...By a Republican controlled Congress... |
Chitaku
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 6:58 pm: | |
whenever I think of where our country is headed I listen to this classic tune!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vzRUs8I9f64 |
Oldredfordette
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Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 7:14 pm: | |
The average wait for unemployment benefits under Ronald RayGun was 8.5 hours. Pre computer, obviously. I used to collect at 8 Mile and Grand River in Farm Hills, and it was jammed wall to wall every single day. It wasn't till the late 80's that things started to improve, then we had the savings and loan crisis!
The Reagan administration also had the illegal actions in Central America. There was no greater enemy to freedom and democracy than that wrinkled old piece of shit.
Reagan had great P.R., that's about it. |
Sstashmoo
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 7:37 pm: | |
Quote: "I'd love to see some documentation of 50% unemployment in the late 1970's"
The news of 78-80 ish timeframe were reporting unemployment in the downriver area in the 40 percentile nearing 50%. Sorry, that's what I remember. |
Hpgrmln
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| | Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 10:38 pm: | |
"The Reagan administration also had the illegal actions in Central America. There was no greater enemy to freedom and democracy than that wrinkled old piece of shit."
You need to change your handle. Add the word "Miserable" in front of it.
Who DO you like? |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1845
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 12:45 am: | |
Wow...so many DYessers were, uhh...discussing national politics on the Detroit forum.
And here I thought that the non-Detroit side was more vicious...heh.
As far as unemployment in the metro-Detroit area, the Black Taggers from MI in the early-mid 80s weren't exactly "oil investors" visiting Texas.
(Message edited by Flanders_field on March 21, 2009) |
1kielsondrive
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Post Number: 1088
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 12:54 am: | |
Face it, neo-con, fundamentalists are very jealous and very angry. They don't like that we have an intelligent, engaging and communicative President who actually likes to be open and honest, and can actually speak clearly. Always remember what we had before. And even if you're an old commie-pinko, like me, way far to the left of our President, you can appreciate what he's doing in the face of some of the greatest threats to our society and world ever perpetrated. Also remember these threats were perpetrated, in large part, by the same neo-cons who were supposedly guarding our security and freedom. I'm not a big fan of the Demicans, but they've got their work cut out for them now. Let's see if they've got what it takes to continue progressing. |
1kielsondrive
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 12:57 am: | |
The nit-picking of President Obama was going on all day. He said this, he said that. The right wing nut-jobs need to shut up and let him work on getting us out of this mess they created. |
1kielsondrive
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Post Number: 1090
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 1:00 am: | |
I'd rather my President spend an hour on The Tonight Show than a month on the Crawford ranch. Of course, with Bush, it was a blessing when he went to the ranch. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 11:58 pm: | |
The mess libs like Obama got us into, and he wrongly plans to solve with more of the cause as a solution.
Do you think going on the Tonight Show is the way to work on the problem? |
Jams
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Post Number: 7936
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:02 am: | |
No, but you going to Applebees might. |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19580
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:04 am: | |
I think you are losing it tonight Jams...you need some rest. |
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