Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8723 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:27 pm: | |
""I agreed reluctantly," Dodd said. "I was changing the amendment because others were insistent." compromise, i'd like to see what he got in the package in return. the language that was removed was written by Dodd, and it was largely reps and blue dogs who refused to go forward with that language in the amendment |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19521 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:45 pm: | |
Horse manure...the guy decided to put it in their, he should be held accountable. No Obama like cop outs Dodd. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 2650 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:50 pm: | |
It smells fishy, you conveniently remove language that would have removed the ability for top executives, of a company you receive substantial campaign contributions from, to receive bonuses? The same bonuses which it doesn't take a genius to figure would cause outrage seeing as how it was all the rage back during the campaign. Sounds like he got caught with his pants down to me. (Message edited by Mayor sekou on March 19, 2009) |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19523 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 3:53 pm: | |
Do ya think? The language of your criticism is conciliatory...as if it would have been OK if he had not gotten caught. What are the standards being used? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8724 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:06 pm: | |
it was language dodd put in as an amendment that he later agreed to remove. he didn't "get caught" at anything |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19527 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:11 pm: | |
I was referring to Mayor's language, not Dodd's. I saw an interview with Dodd. He was definitely caught and he regrets it (being caught, not the initial wrongdoing). His excuse (lame) was that this is how laws get passed. Oops, if these kind of mistakes become law as a result, better to give it up all together. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 4592 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:13 pm: | |
quote:it was language dodd put in as an amendment that he later agreed to remove. he didn't "get caught" at anything You didn't hear? Since 2001, it's been criminal to be a Democrat. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 3694 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:15 pm: | |
CC Batson: Just curious. Here is a statement about unions. Is this too left-wing for your politics? "[Trade unions] are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence." |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19529 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:19 pm: | |
A qualified yes...I am sure you will point out that a conservative made the statement, however, plenty of supposed conservatives hold liberal beliefs in some corners (GWB as one example). Or, it was a statement to placate a voting base. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 3695 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:26 pm: | |
Heh. Thought so. Yeah, of course, it's Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf. Just figured it would be an amusing break from the usual ragging. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19535 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:32 pm: | |
You do know what "qualified" means, right Detroitnerd? As I have pointed out before, great villains of history may have isolated valid views on some points (not in this case, but...) but are evil on balance. Besides, what makes you think that Hitler was a conservative? A Fascist genocidal dictator leading a nationalist "socialist" party, is closer to a liberal (by todays standards in the US), then a conservative. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 3696 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:33 pm: | |
Haha. Whatever. I thought it was a harmless gag, but I think the wingnut doth protest too much. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19537 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:34 pm: | |
"Whatever" means that you admit defeat? If so, granted. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 3698 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:42 pm: | |
No, "whatever" means "smell my feet." |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8726 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 4:43 pm: | |
Bats, you will never learn. no matter how much you gripe about it, fascism is the EXTREME of the conservative movement. the first groups EVERY fascist has gone after were the trade unionists, then gays, then some ethnic group. on the other hand, they give over control of many aspects of government to private industry (why il duce called it "corporatist") gee, that does sound an awful lot like the republican tactics from 1980-2008 |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1332 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 5:14 pm: | |
The most elemental version of fascism is economic fascism. It precedes more repugnant variations. Hayek explained that the repression and censorship of more mature fascist states are a result of trying to cover up failures of the government planning associated with fascism. Econonic fascism = corporatism is a collusion of big business and big business scratching each other's backs at the expense of everyone else. Unions, are allowed to exist under corporatism and sometimes even encouraged under corporatism whether Mussolini, Hitler, or the much milder Roosevelt version. That way, the government gets all the big shots to the table at once and everyone is on the same page. Anyone not represented at the table can hope for the scraps. Its too bad. We had this hilarious situation where everyone was lambasting the evil AIG executives for their greed... until it was realized that AIG had also provided lovely gifts for Obama and Dodd and that Dodd had somehow allowed the AIG executives to get their bonuses. Oops. So then the conversation channel was switched to berating fascism. |
20043_stotter Member Username: 20043_stotter
Post Number: 840 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 5:35 pm: | |
Ollie, I guess nobody gets to win, in this political world we live in. |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1333 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 7:07 pm: | |
stotter, sigh...The irony is that the bailouts, particularly Bush's, were by definition corporatism every step of the way, aka 'economic fascism', on steroids. (Message edited by oladub on March 19, 2009) |
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field
Post Number: 1837 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 9:29 pm: | |
Almost half of House Republicans vote to pass a bill taxing AIG exective bonuses: "WASHINGTON (AP) Spurred on by a tidal wave of public anger over bonuses paid to executives of the foundering American International Group, the House voted 328 to 93 on Thursday to get back most of the money by levying a 90 percent tax on it." "The measure easily surpassed a procedural hurdle requiring a two-thirds majority vote, thanks to considerable Republican support. The Senate will consider a roughly similar measure, perhaps next week. If something is approved in that chamber the House and Senate versions would have to be reconciled, so prospects for final passage of a bill are unclear." "But there was no doubt after the House vote that the lawmakers were keenly aware of their constituents anger, which was focused on A.I.G., although the House measure would apply to executives of any company getting more than $5 billion in federal bailout money." House Passes Heavy Tax on Bonuses at Rescued Firms FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 143 Regardless of the circumstances, 85 Republican members in Congress, have voted "yes" for one of the highest marginal tax rates imposed on a segment of income earners in decades.
But ultimately the joke is on US taxpayers, who will foot the bill for this travesty alone, not counting the WOT and the stimulus(es) for years and years to come, that is, if there will be enough remaining gainfully employed middle-class taxpayers, whose jobs or small businesses haven't been taken over, eliminated, offshored, or outsourced by the middle of the century. Maybe by then, most of the "middle-class" employees will be working for the government, or enlisted in the military, since they are about one of the last career employment opportunities available in the US, that the global corporate capitalists haven't (as yet) been able to find a convincingly suitable and profitable means to ship most of those jobs out of the country as well, or failing that, successfully attempt to reduce them to mere "globally competitive" survival wages. Snip from the article in the NYT: "Bank executives, who requested anonymity because they did not want to further alienate lawmakers, said their employees were on edge and many would face severe financial hardship if they were severely taxed on money already paid." Severe financial hardship?? What, are their new Rolls Royces or Bentleys now in danger of being repoed? (Message edited by Flanders_field on March 19, 2009) |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1334 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 10:29 pm: | |
Exactly Rb, What a bunch of grandstanding clowns, Republican or otherwise. I figured it out. This AIG corporate excess of $100M costs the average American 33 cents. MEANWHILE In the last five days, the Federal Reserve has instituted a policy that has devalued the dollar 5.1% Yet no one is complaining about that. That means our earnings or total personal assets is now worth 5.1% less. Expect gasoline to go up in price along with a hundred things in the grocery store, and almost everything at Walmart. The corporate lap dog media has done a wonderful job of diverting our attention from something that has cost us thousands of dollars. The Federal Reserve does what it wants and Congress refuses to even regulate let alone eliminate it. "The Fed's decision to buy debt means it is effectively creating new money, leading to concern from investors about the over-supply of dollars." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/bus iness/7952319.stm |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 4224 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 10:52 pm: | |
quote: Expect gasoline to go up in price along with a hundred things in the grocery store, and almost everything at Walmart. Has that stopped them in the past, without any reasonable explanation, in the last ten years ? Oh sure, you can pour through corporate tables in the proxy statements, but after Enron, AIG, Exxon, Bank of America, and several dozen others, I personally trust them as much as I do a (hard on), vitamin distributer. |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1335 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 11:17 pm: | |
Bigb23, My point was that your money now will have 5.1% less spending power because of a Federal Reserve action - other factors being equal. Congress has allowed the Fed, an independent cabal of private banks, to control the monetary life of this country. No one is asking you to trust corporations except the people you elect to give these corporations our tax money while simultaneously taking away the value of our assets. |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 4231 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 19, 2009 - 11:30 pm: | |
I totally understand, Oladub. But when you think things are always out of our hands, some idiots make death threats to AIG upper management. Keeps them on their toes. Those Cristal champaign trysts in the company Jaccuzzi, may be a thing of the past. |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 2653 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:30 am: | |
Nothing conciliatory here Cc. Errant assumptions tend to make one look foolish. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19554 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 6:21 pm: | |
So you believe Dodd should be removed from office ASAP? Careful Mayor, therein lies the test of your conviction. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4567 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 6:41 pm: | |
GREED is good! GREED is right. The Gordon Gekko phrase. |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1336 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:23 pm: | |
Rolling Stone Magazine has a lengthy article about AIG and the corporate takeover of our two party system. "People are pissed off about this financial crisis, and about this bailout, but they're not pissed off enough. The reality is that the worldwide economic meltdown and the bailout that followed were together a kind of revolution, a coup d'état. They cemented and formalized a political trend that has been snowballing for decades: the gradual takeover of the government by a small class of connected insiders, who used money to control elections, buy influence and systematically weaken financial regulations." http://www.rollingstone.com/po litics/story/26793903/the_big_ takeover/1 |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 4242 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:39 pm: | |
Funny ? But I lost my (reduced) wage job through a Goldman Sachs buyout, two years ago. I hope those guys choke on their Cristal Champaign and illegal nannys. "Is AIG the Fall Guy For Goldman Sachs?"
quote:In a famous scene from a Pink Panther movie, Inspector Clouseau arrests a street vendor in front of a bank but ignores a robbery taking place inside. Quite reminiscent of the noise coming out of Congress over the $165 million in bonuses going to American International Group’s credit default swaps unit. The hoopla is obscuring an even nastier nest of snakes: the billions that were funneled through the insurer to prop up the investment banks. http://industry.bnet.com/finan cial-services/1000576/is-aig-t he-fall-guy-for-goldman-sachs/ |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 7924 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, March 20, 2009 - 9:48 pm: | |
I fu^ked up at my job this past week, I'll expect a large bonus in my paycheck next week. |
Flanders_field Member Username: Flanders_field
Post Number: 1846 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 10:58 am: | |
Oopsy...a slight bonus miscalculation, but what's another $53 million, when the words billion and trillion get casually mentioned so much in the media. "NEW HAVEN, Connecticut - Connecticut's attorney general says documents turned over to his office by American International Group Inc. shows the company paid out $218 million in bonuses, higher than the $165 million previously disclosed." "Attorney General Richard Blumenthal's office received the documents late Friday after issuing a subpoena." AIG bonuses bigger than believed |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19572 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 11:51 pm: | |
Danny...That movie (Wall Street) was fictional and written by a liberal...you realize that, don't you? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8738 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 - 8:23 am: | |
and yet it embodies all that you stand for, bats, and shows the corrupt nature at the root of it |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4572 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 - 8:27 am: | |
Yes Ccbatson, That Wall Street movie was a liberal reponse not only to a quick recession after the 1987 crash, but also to conservative corporations who use the power of GREED to full their needs. WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET As I watch the collapse of corporate America. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19612 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 - 3:58 pm: | |
The collapse of corporate America ongoing today is the result of creeping, now leaping Socialism. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8746 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 8:20 am: | |
Bats, your constant jumps in illogic are endlessly amusing |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19630 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 5:05 pm: | |
Another in a long line of conclusions without a shred of supportive argument Rb....irrelevancy is in the near future for you. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8756 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 9:24 am: | |
the evidence is in your posts, bats, there for everyone to see |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 4282 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:55 pm: | |
quote:without a shred of supportive argument Rb Has ANYBODY seen Cc provide a direct link supporting his argument for review and discussion ? Just wondering. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 3732 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 1:47 pm: | |
I know you are but what am I? ;) |
Jams Member Username: Jams
Post Number: 7962 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 4:12 pm: | |
quote:Has ANYBODY seen Cc provide a direct link supporting his argument for review and discussion ? Just wondering. No ,we all stand in awe of his Rightness of Opinion and Compelling Arguments If we could put his posts in our yards, we would never have to buy fertilizer again. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19651 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 5:36 pm: | |
Is this a court of law, or a discussion forum? It isn't about evidence, it is about compelling arguments, rational thoughts, deduction, etc. (Message edited by ccbatson on March 25, 2009) |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 4285 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 8:51 pm: | |
Oh, my dear Cc, It's a proven fact that this is a court of law, and it's not about compelling arguments, and rational thoughts. So again, your statement holds no water. Try again. (Sarcasm alert). |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8768 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 11:29 am: | |
Bats, that is just the point. you state things vehemently, and I have no doubt you believe them, but vehemence is not compelling, and being argumentative isn't making an argument. you claim rationality, but your rational never bears you out -- things are only rational if they fit inside your extremely narrow, extremely subjective "objectivist" view of the universe, a view that is almost as intellectually compelling as that of the flat earthers |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19671 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 5:58 pm: | |
One example would be nice...for me that is. You would just be embarrassed (maybe that is why you ignore the challenges ). |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8773 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 8:49 am: | |
tell you what bats, YOU provide an example to support ANYTHING you have ever posted, then you can make comments like the above as to my 8768, your posts are all the examples I need to prove my case that you have yet to make any compelling arguments about anything |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19749 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 4:31 pm: | |
Deal. next time we cross swords, I will reference this/your challenge. |