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Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 6:48 pm: |    |
roaring success?
February sees a sharp rise in Iraq violence with at least 258 people killed
By Agence France Presse (AFP)
A total of 258 Iraqis were killed in violence in February, a sharp rise from the previous month that saw the lowest casualty figures since the 2003 US-led invasion, authorities said Sunday. Statistics compiled by the Defense, Interior and Health ministries showed that 211 civilians, 17 soldiers and 30 policemen lost their lives to violence across the country in February.
not to remind everyone of the thousands of Iraqi's living abroad etc...what has been a success is the lives and sacrifices of our troops and their ability to hold things together...to re-build a nation that hasn't thrown rose petals or paid us with their own resouces... |
Danindc
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Post Number: 4477
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 7:16 pm: | |
I think by "winging it", Rove is referring to Obama's ugly habit of not pre-screening the attendees at his speeches. The gumption! |
Alsodave
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Post Number: 752
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 7:25 pm: | |
quote:"Iraq is a roaring success. Afghanistan has been modestly successful"
I imagine credibility and window are acquainted... |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1752
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 7:32 pm: | |
Objectivists are hardly concerned about the misfortunes of others, if it means that their earnings will be taken stolen from them, in order to ensure their continued survival in the US. If hundreds of thousands, if not millions in other countries must perish, suffer grave injury, or toil in poverty, in order for the US military to defend their "freedoms", that is also regrettable, but necessary.
Being taxed to support the military and indirectly allow further tax cuts, (preferably no taxes) for the privately wealthy and the global corporate capitalists, is not socialism, but being taxed to support the nation's infrastructure and its middle/lower class citizenry most certainly is. |
1kielsondrive
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Post Number: 945
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 1:47 am: | |
Cc, can I score some of your drugs? Must be some pretty good s"*t, man. I haven't seen anyone tripping like you since Owsley was producing his trademarked hallucinogens. "Iraq is a roaring success"???? 'GWB's liberal like spending on entitlements'??? Like do you mean the wars and economic depression we are all entitled to? |
Mauser765
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Post Number: 3035
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 4:01 am: | |
"Is Obama winging it?"
No - this is all straight out of Keynesian econ 101.
This is exactly how Sweden emerged from the original Republican Great Depression without entering WWII.
And I agree with Flanders, anyone asserting that Bush spent a single penny on anything domestic needs a serious blood alcohol check. The Right agenda consists of denying domestic spending by trashing budgets so bad that no money is left over for anything that benefits american citizens.
And then its CUT CUT CUT CUT !
Fortunately everybody can see what they are now.
"Being taxed to support the nations infrastructure" = socialism ? !
The pigs use the infrastructure more than citizens, let the pigs pay.
And right now they owe us back pay HUGE. |
Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 585
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:20 am: | |
cc says: "LBJ, FDR, Carter...to a lesser extent Clinton....these are the villains."
In some quarters they are considered the greatest heroes and most illustrative of what is good about America. Your heroes are often considered illustrative of the selfish, basest instincts. |
Defendbrooklyn
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Post Number: 979
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 3:33 pm: | |
CC - "LBJ, FDR, Carter...to a lesser extent Clinton....these are the villains."
Don't forget to include people like Gargamel & Dr. Claw.... |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19125
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 4:03 pm: | |
I could have added a few other historical villains cut from the same cloth, but that is a retread. |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1755
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 4:26 pm: | |
quote:historical villains
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Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19133
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 4:31 pm: | |
Judgement is way off for you Flanders....you have it backwards. |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1756
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| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 5:02 pm: | |
quote:you have it backwards
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Classicyesfan
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Post Number: 588
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 5:09 pm: | |
"Hey, you nasty kids, get off my........."
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Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 1366
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 3:45 pm: | |
The graphics tickle me. |
D_mcc
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Post Number: 1714
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 4:00 pm: | |
Saying FDR is a Villian is like saying pedophiles are good babysitters |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19262
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 4:34 pm: | |
Palin in a Viper!! If I weren't already married.
FDR was the prototypical American socialist President. If you love socialism, then you should love FDR. If not....well, fill in the blank on your own. |
Classicyesfan
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 5:50 pm: | |
"FDR was the prototypical American socialist President. If you love socialism, then you should love FDR. If not....well, fill in the blank on your own."
Darn that rascal FDR. Things were so wonderful post-1929. Why couldn't he just let the country suffer through a depression for 30 years instead of helping the common man?
PS. Todd Palin will not tolerate you messin' with his meal ticket. |
D_mcc
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Username: D_mcc
Post Number: 1715
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 5:56 pm: | |
That damn FDR and his social programs that provided relief to the unemployed, put people to work, fed families, created social security, unemployment insurance, massive infrastructure projects that our country depends on today, creating government programs that make sure the money we have in banks is insured, expanding employment opportunities for minorities, providing opportunities for workers to have fair rights at their jobs, etc...
What a fucking prick that guy...the nerve some people have...I can't believe he lasted longer than one term...
Oh wait, not to mention probably one of the greatest wartime presidents our country has ever seen...distant second to GWB our glorious commander in chief |
Themax
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Post Number: 860
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:41 pm: | |
CC keeps forgetting Reagan when he is placing blame.
http://hnn.us/articles/53527.h tml
"...Ronald Reagan was not the only major champion of deregulation. Economist Milton Friedman served as the idea’s principal philosopher, and Newt Gingrich was a leading advocate in Congress. But Reagan was the most influential figure to make the term “government” sound like a naughty word..."
As for whether Obama is winging it: he has plenty of economic advisors to call on. Economists in general are winging it. The economy is so big and complex, no one is sure what will work and what won't. We have massive loss of confidence in the banking system caused by the massive greed encouraged by the deregulators. The S & L crisis of the 1980's was a warning that no one paid attention to. The Republican game now is to blame as many Dems as possible like a scattershot and just see what sticks. They're even blaming a nonprofit, ACORN. But they don't mention AIG or Greenspan who Barney Frank asked to write up some regulations for the banks in 2006, and he did nothing. |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1782
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:45 pm: | |
quote:Palin in a Viper!! If I weren't already married.
Uhh...Palin is still married as well.
Oh wait, you meant the Viper? |
Vetalalumni
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Post Number: 1372
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 7:49 pm: | |
^^^ haha |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19285
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| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 12:55 am: | |
Reagan wasn't perfect...as close to it since Lincoln. |
D_mcc
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Post Number: 1718
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 2:48 am: | |
Reagan couldn't act his way out of a paper bag...and he was a democrat before it became advantageous to become a Republican...not to mention the fact that he ruined the lives of many innocent Americans he considered colleagues |
Rb336
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Post Number: 8633
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| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:20 am: | |
Bats, you never cease to amaze me with the lunacy of your comments. Reagan created a MUCH larger government, then refused to fund it. how is that anywhere near Lincoln? |
20043_stotter
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Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 9:44 am: | |
It's in his mind only. |
Jams
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Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 10:05 am: | |
Lincoln...that Radical! |
1kielsondrive
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Post Number: 987
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 2:42 pm: | |
So what if he is winging it? I don't believe so. Obama's picking up the remnants of a 'well planned' (sarcasm intended) strategy of disfunction (at best), ignorance and destruction from the Bush neo-cons. You know, listening to the pundits will do you very little good. Even if you hate Obama, as has been demonstrated by the neo-cons, would you want to be in his shoes? Who else really could, or would, handle this situation? The worst situation in modern American history. Certainly not the neo-con's front runners - Limbaugh, Romney and Palin. Limbaugh is a terrible gas bag. McCain is a badly defeated and discredited candidate, not to mention senator, and Palin has a difficult time running her family, much less Alaska. My advice is to turn the radio and teevee off and give it a break. I'm not saying stick your head in the sand, I'm saying we don't need to hear and know every dirty little detail. Obama wasn't my favorite, but considering the circumstances, and how badly everything has devolved just since the election and is devolving daily, I support him wholeheartedly, in spite of my disagreements with him. |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19311
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| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:27 pm: | |
Capitalism, free enterprise, liberty...all principles Reagan furthered.
Obama is not winging it at all....it is planned. IOW, our misery is Obama's plan. |
Detroitej72
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Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 9:10 pm: | |
Obama has kept us safe. There have been no attacks on U.S. soil since he was sworn in.
Where are all the Bush apologists now? |
Gibran
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Post Number: 4574
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 3:56 pm: | |
Give us a fricken break..50 days in office. I would love to see what anyone who criticizes his policies would do with the mess and chaos that we inherited...this mess (regardless who is to blame) was years in the making ..it's easy to sit back and be critical of another's efforts when they haven't a clue...where is the effort to reach out and say here we are...all we get is obstruction and Rush's BS. |
Flanders_field
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Post Number: 1787
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 5:25 pm: | |
quote:all we get is obstruction
"We will lose on legislation. But we will win the message war every day, and every week, until November 2010,” said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., an outspoken conservative who has participated on the GOP message teams. “Our goal is to bring down approval numbers for [Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and for House Democrats. That will take repetition. This is a marathon, not a sprint."
GOP Rep: “Our Goal Is To Bring Down Approval Numbers” For Dems
Republicans are not concerned with the fate of US citizens that are most vulnerable to, or those have already become victims of the deepening recession. They have always championed the idea of enriching the wealthy with tax cuts as a means of indirectly benefiting the middle and lower classes. They have no other economic ideas, other than promoting charity, family, and prayer as a worthy substitute for eliminating entitlement spending by the government.
They are putting all of their obstructionist chips in the political kitty, betting that if there is no significant improvement in the economy by mid-2010, that there will be a voter backlash against Democrats in Congress. |
Rb336
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:29 am: | |
gee, it's really working so far, as virtually every poll shows republican congressional members with MUCH lower approval ratings than their dem counterparts |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19360
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 10:00 pm: | |
Don't worry, the liberals are collecting plenty of rope with which to hang themselves at the next opportunity. |
Flanders_field
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 10:29 pm: | |
Any "rope" that liberals are collecting is the remaining slack, which is frayed and now useless, from use by conservatives, who have already hung themselves with it over the past several years, and apparently wish to continue to do so. |
Ccbatson
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 8:19 pm: | |
The rope is our misery (mostly economic), amplified by liberal policies. |
Gibran
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Post Number: 4598
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 8:53 pm: | |
I guess when misery reaches the ultra rich they could understand the position of the middle class which they have exploited for so long... |
Ccbatson
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Post Number: 19440
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 4:01 pm: | |
It will not reach the ultra rich (like Al Gore, and Obama), it will hit the middle and lower income earners the hardest both directly, and indirectly via squeezing the businesses who pass the costs onto consumers. |
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