Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1334 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 1:14 pm: | |
Ward Connerly epitomizes one potential result among black Americans. Connerly's rhetoric is not openly discussed outside of one's own racial group, however it should be. |
Otter Member Username: Otter
Post Number: 643 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 1:55 pm: | |
Vetalalumni, Good point. I did my small part in letting it stay off-topic. It's an interesting topic (and one I've thought a lot about) so I'll try to contribute something relevant when I have time. O. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19149 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 4:26 pm: | |
The tone is turning towards the right as the misery that results from leftward policy accrues. In 4 years, it should be very interesting (and hopefully a new age in American individual liberty will dawn). |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8609 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 4:50 pm: | |
"The tone is turning towards the right" it is? odd. you must really censor what you listen to to get anything like that idea. nice to see you slip a book I already critiqued from your last post again. We are cowards when it comes to talking about race. few are truly honest. Bill Cosby was honest, but most of what he said applies to groups of lower-income/lower-education whites as well. |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 595 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 8:08 pm: | |
"(and hopefully a new age in American individual liberty will dawn)" Aw come on and admit it. You would like to return to the dawn of the 20th century before Upton Sinclair exposed the vile meat packing labor practices and tainted poisoned meat was sold to the unsuspecting public. Yeah, those pre-regulation days were wonderful because you could fleece your workers, kill them with unfair hours and substandard pay, and sell poor products, all the while amassing sums of money. Hooray for the unfettered liberty to prosper at the expense of the innocent. The good old days of small government were wonderful/godawful. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1335 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 9:50 pm: | |
No problem Otter. On-topic posts are allowed too. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19171 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 12:15 am: | |
Kind of like the tainted foods in the post regulation era (today) just on a much much smaller scale. So much for that theory CYF. Care to try another? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8614 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 9:40 am: | |
hmmm...could it be that the modern tainted food era began when -- tada! -- the bushies eviscerated the regulators? |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 602 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 7:01 pm: | |
"So much for that theory CYF. Care to try another?" No, actually, you just proved my point. Regulation was nearly nonexistent in the time of rampant unchecked predatory capitalists, and defacto deregulation occurred during the recent era of bloated military spending and cuts in human services. We might get food poisoning but at least Saddam isn't invading us. Please feel free to defend the contemporary bottom feeding capitalists that are poisoning your children. It shall be a fascinating read! (Message edited by classicyesfan on March 04, 2009) |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19190 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:03 am: | |
OMG...do you even have clue one as to how much money is spent on these regulations today? I bet you are just assuming that the funding and size of these monstrosities (that are completely ineffectual) has decreased when, in fact, nothing of the sort has happened. |
Classicyesfan Member Username: Classicyesfan
Post Number: 606 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 8:13 am: | |
"OMG...do you even have clue one as to how much money is spent on these regulations today? I bet you are just assuming that the funding and size of these monstrosities (that are completely ineffectual) has decreased when, in fact, nothing of the sort has happened." Cute usage of the internet vernacular, cc. You're gettin' hip! But, back to the topic. I bet you are assuming that we have sufficient employees to perform the inspections and enforce regulations. We don't. Whose fault is that? Could it be the party that was in power in Congress and held the presidency for 6 of the last 8 years? Strange that the era of food poisoning coincides perfectly with that right wing extremist regime and it also has a perfect overlap with the war of terror. WTF? OMG! Reality check. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1339 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:02 pm: | |
quote:In the new world of Obama socialist liberal fascism, what happens to the attorney general's office? WHat is the english translation of the word Gestapo? This post was not followed up with pointed, specific supporting evidence of a Gestapo. |
Mopardan Member Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:31 pm: | |
No problem Otter. On-topic posts are allowed too. ============================== =================== Probably one of the best lines written. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19233 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, March 06, 2009 - 11:58 pm: | |
Costs always rise too high and quality degrades too low in a socialist system. IOW, there will never be "enough" regulators in such a paradigm. Gestapo=secret state police of the German Nazi party. So, state=government. Police=office of the inspector general, and secret=implementing its' (wrongfull) powers clandestinely. Pointed enough? |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1344 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 2:29 pm: | |
quote:Gestapo=secret state police of the German Nazi party. So, state=government. Police=office of the inspector general, and secret=implementing its' (wrongfull) powers clandestinely. Pointed enough? Above is one person's neologistic definition of a domestic Gestapo. Yet and still in this thread no contextual evidence of it. Simply casting aspersions hoping something will stick. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19245 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 4:39 pm: | |
Definitions commonly understood definitely qualify as contextual evidence. Just as 2+2=4 |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1349 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 6:08 pm: | |
Gestapo = A secret = B state = C police = D You assert A = BCD, however your definitions of BCD support A <> BCD, an inequation. Your flaw is to ascribe mathematical precision to your strident ideas. In mathematics class the teacher calls that guessing. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19296 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:23 am: | |
does not a definition correlate to something/a word being the same as some other word/words? In which case "definition" is the same as "equals". |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19297 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:24 am: | |
BTW, does <> mean does not equal? If so, you are saying that Gestapo was not a secret state police? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8636 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:32 am: | |
"Definitions commonly understood definitely qualify as contextual evidence. Just as 2+2=4" yet you fail to supply any context in which your "domestic gestapo" might exist. and it is SO funny that you, supporter of the anti-liberty Patriot Act, should raise that spectre |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19318 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:43 pm: | |
The patriot act was/is well done in that it does not infringe on freedom/rights, while it enhances security. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1375 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 10:33 pm: | |
What is it, literally, that you are saying Ccbatson? |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1289 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 11:30 pm: | |
Bats, Listen to a traditional conservative talk about the relationship between the Patriot Act and freedom/rights. Congress even had more time to look at Porkulus than the Patriot Act before voting. Judge Napolitano: Why The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kNRSs6LsGeI |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8646 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 9:27 am: | |
and you STILL haven't done a thing, bats, other than sound like a paranoia-deluded, tin-hat wearing consiracy hound, to support your claims of an obama gestapo |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1395 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:12 pm: | |
quote:BTW, does <> mean does not equal? < means less than > means greater than Therefore, <> together mean "less than" OR "greater than" (inclusive), which also means not equal. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19346 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:23 pm: | |
I was being fascetious when I questioned that. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1404 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:00 pm: | |
Pat Buchanan had enough nerve (courage) to discuss race with Dr. Eric Michael Dyson who struggled. Pat Buchanan was replete with statistics and vigor. Another person might have communicated more effectively than Dr. Dyson.The tone and flow detracted from the content of the conversation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qv2zBnWKm40 |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19420 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:01 pm: | |
Buchanan is to far right in some ways, even for me. Who would have thought that possible? |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1406 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:09 pm: | |
quote:Buchanan is to far right in some ways, even for me. Who would have thought that possible? That is interesting. In what specific ways? |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1408 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 5:51 pm: | |
President Obama correctly frames race as subject to economics http://www.foxnews.com/politic s/first100days/2009/03/07/obam a-distances-holders-nation-cow ards-speech/ Dr. Williams contributes his thoughts on race http://townhall.com/columnists /WalterEWilliams/2009/02/25/a_ nation_of_cowards |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19437 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 3:55 pm: | |
Protectionism, he (Buchanan) opposes free trade. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8685 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 1:56 pm: | |
Protectionism is neither a conservative nor a liberal stance, but can grow out of extremes from either side |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19477 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 16, 2009 - 11:21 pm: | |
It is a libertarian principle adopted by Buchanan. Perhaps my use of the description of Buchanan as too right wing was inaccurate...he is incongruent with my idea of what a conservative should be is a better way of putting it. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8704 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:29 pm: | |
What is a libertarian...adopted by pat buchanan? (Message edited by rb336 on March 17, 2009) |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19489 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:31 pm: | |
Protectionism. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8708 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:39 pm: | |
I know plenty of libertarians who would contradict you on that, Bats. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19499 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:41 pm: | |
Are they truly libertarian? You know libertarians? I don't believe you. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8711 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:48 pm: | |
Find me a libertarian who believes in protectionism over a free and open world market |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19757 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2009 - 4:53 pm: | |
Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan...oops, that's 2, not 1. I know...technically Republicans..but really Libertarians. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8776 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, March 30, 2009 - 8:41 am: | |
REAL libertarians cannot be protectionists, therefore, you are wrong |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19769 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Monday, March 30, 2009 - 11:43 pm: | |
Not even going to try and explain yourself...as always...Rb? |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8782 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 8:48 am: | |
I always explain myself, bats. you simply do not understand what a real libertarian is |
Oladub Member Username: Oladub
Post Number: 1353 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 9:46 am: | |
Rb, There are differences among libertarians. Some, for instance, want completely open borders, to allow the complete freedom of movement of people. Others, recognize borders as necessary to define the area in which liberty can be protected - much as one would not want leaks in the hull of a boat. Other examples of the lack of cohesion amongst libertarians. Reason Magazine, a libertarian publication, never supported Ron Paul. Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr opposed Ron Paul's presidential run. JOKE: At a Libertarian convention, the chairman pounded his gavel and called the meeting to order. Voice from the back of the room: "Who the hell made you God?" |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8785 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 2:17 pm: | |
I know -- i was poking fun at all those "not a real conservative" type comments. |
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson
Post Number: 19786 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 8:21 pm: | |
Without a shred of credibility based on your record of making ad hominem comments. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 8795 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 10:47 am: | |
show me one ad hominem I have ever made on this board, bats. |