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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ward Connerly epitomizes one potential result among black Americans. Connerly's rhetoric is not openly discussed outside of one's own racial group, however it should be.
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Vetalalumni,

Good point. I did my small part in letting it stay off-topic. It's an interesting topic (and one I've thought a lot about) so I'll try to contribute something relevant when I have time.

O.
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Ccbatson
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The tone is turning towards the right as the misery that results from leftward policy accrues. In 4 years, it should be very interesting (and hopefully a new age in American individual liberty will dawn).
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Rb336
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"The tone is turning towards the right"

it is? odd. you must really censor what you listen to to get anything like that idea. nice to see you slip a book I already critiqued from your last post again.

We are cowards when it comes to talking about race. few are truly honest. Bill Cosby was honest, but most of what he said applies to groups of lower-income/lower-education whites as well.
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"(and hopefully a new age in American individual liberty will dawn)"

Aw come on and admit it. You would like to return to the dawn of the 20th century before Upton Sinclair exposed the vile meat packing labor practices and tainted poisoned meat was sold to the unsuspecting public. Yeah, those pre-regulation days were wonderful because you could fleece your workers, kill them with unfair hours and substandard pay, and sell poor products, all the while amassing sums of money. Hooray for the unfettered liberty to prosper at the expense of the innocent. The good old days of small government were wonderful/godawful.
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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No problem Otter. On-topic posts are allowed too.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 12:15 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kind of like the tainted foods in the post regulation era (today) just on a much much smaller scale.

So much for that theory CYF. Care to try another?
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Rb336
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Posted on Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 9:40 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hmmm...could it be that the modern tainted food era began when -- tada! -- the bushies eviscerated the regulators?
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"So much for that theory CYF. Care to try another?"

No, actually, you just proved my point.

Regulation was nearly nonexistent in the time of rampant unchecked predatory capitalists, and defacto deregulation occurred during the recent era of bloated military spending and cuts in human services. We might get food poisoning but at least Saddam isn't invading us.

Please feel free to defend the contemporary bottom feeding capitalists that are poisoning your children. It shall be a fascinating read!


(Message edited by classicyesfan on March 04, 2009)
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 12:03 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OMG...do you even have clue one as to how much money is spent on these regulations today? I bet you are just assuming that the funding and size of these monstrosities (that are completely ineffectual) has decreased when, in fact, nothing of the sort has happened.
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"OMG...do you even have clue one as to how much money is spent on these regulations today? I bet you are just assuming that the funding and size of these monstrosities (that are completely ineffectual) has decreased when, in fact, nothing of the sort has happened."

Cute usage of the internet vernacular, cc. You're gettin' hip!

But, back to the topic. I bet you are assuming that we have sufficient employees to perform the inspections and enforce regulations. We don't. Whose fault is that? Could it be the party that was in power in Congress and held the presidency for 6 of the last 8 years? Strange that the era of food poisoning coincides perfectly with that right wing extremist regime and it also has a perfect overlap with the war of terror.

WTF? OMG! Reality check.
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quote:

In the new world of Obama socialist liberal fascism, what happens to the attorney general's office? WHat is the english translation of the word Gestapo?


This post was not followed up with pointed, specific supporting evidence of a Gestapo.
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Posted on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No problem Otter. On-topic posts are allowed too.
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Probably one of the best lines written.
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Ccbatson
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Costs always rise too high and quality degrades too low in a socialist system. IOW, there will never be "enough" regulators in such a paradigm.

Gestapo=secret state police of the German Nazi party. So, state=government. Police=office of the inspector general, and secret=implementing its' (wrongfull) powers clandestinely. Pointed enough?
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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 2:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Gestapo=secret state police of the German Nazi party. So, state=government. Police=office of the inspector general, and secret=implementing its' (wrongfull) powers clandestinely. Pointed enough?



Above is one person's neologistic definition of a domestic Gestapo. Yet and still in this thread no contextual evidence of it. Simply casting aspersions hoping something will stick.
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Ccbatson
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Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitions commonly understood definitely qualify as contextual evidence. Just as 2+2=4
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Vetalalumni
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Gestapo = A
secret = B
state = C
police = D

You assert A = BCD, however your definitions of BCD support A <> BCD, an inequation. Your flaw is to ascribe mathematical precision to your strident ideas. In mathematics class the teacher calls that guessing.
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:23 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

does not a definition correlate to something/a word being the same as some other word/words? In which case "definition" is the same as "equals".
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 1:24 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW, does <> mean does not equal?

If so, you are saying that Gestapo was not a secret state police?
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Rb336
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 8:32 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Definitions commonly understood definitely qualify as contextual evidence. Just as 2+2=4"

yet you fail to supply any context in which your "domestic gestapo" might exist. and it is SO funny that you, supporter of the anti-liberty Patriot Act, should raise that spectre
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The patriot act was/is well done in that it does not infringe on freedom/rights, while it enhances security.
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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Monday, March 09, 2009 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is it, literally, that you are saying Ccbatson?
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Bats, Listen to a traditional conservative talk about the relationship between the Patriot Act and freedom/rights. Congress even had more time to look at Porkulus than the Patriot Act before voting.

Judge Napolitano: Why The Patriot Act is Unconstitutional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kNRSs6LsGeI
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Rb336
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and you STILL haven't done a thing, bats, other than sound like a paranoia-deluded, tin-hat wearing consiracy hound, to support your claims of an obama gestapo
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Posted on Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

BTW, does <> mean does not equal?



< means less than
> means greater than

Therefore, <> together mean "less than" OR "greater than" (inclusive), which also means not equal.
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I was being fascetious when I questioned that.
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Vetalalumni
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Pat Buchanan had enough nerve (courage) to discuss race with Dr. Eric Michael Dyson who struggled. Pat Buchanan was replete with statistics and vigor. Another person might have communicated more effectively than Dr. Dyson.The tone and flow detracted from the content of the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qv2zBnWKm40
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Buchanan is to far right in some ways, even for me. Who would have thought that possible?
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quote:

Buchanan is to far right in some ways, even for me. Who would have thought that possible?


That is interesting. In what specific ways?
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Posted on Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

President Obama correctly frames race as subject to economics
http://www.foxnews.com/politic s/first100days/2009/03/07/obam a-distances-holders-nation-cow ards-speech/

Dr. Williams contributes his thoughts on race
http://townhall.com/columnists /WalterEWilliams/2009/02/25/a_ nation_of_cowards
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Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Protectionism, he (Buchanan) opposes free trade.
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Protectionism is neither a conservative nor a liberal stance, but can grow out of extremes from either side
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It is a libertarian principle adopted by Buchanan.

Perhaps my use of the description of Buchanan as too right wing was inaccurate...he is incongruent with my idea of what a conservative should be is a better way of putting it.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What is a libertarian...adopted by pat buchanan?

(Message edited by rb336 on March 17, 2009)
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Protectionism.
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Rb336
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I know plenty of libertarians who would contradict you on that, Bats.
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Are they truly libertarian? You know libertarians? I don't believe you.
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Rb336
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Posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Find me a libertarian who believes in protectionism over a free and open world market
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Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan...oops, that's 2, not 1.

I know...technically Republicans..but really Libertarians.
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REAL libertarians cannot be protectionists, therefore, you are wrong
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Not even going to try and explain yourself...as always...Rb?
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I always explain myself, bats. you simply do not understand what a real libertarian is
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Rb, There are differences among libertarians. Some, for instance, want completely open borders, to allow the complete freedom of movement of people. Others, recognize borders as necessary to define the area in which liberty can be protected - much as one would not want leaks in the hull of a boat.

Other examples of the lack of cohesion amongst libertarians. Reason Magazine, a libertarian publication, never supported Ron Paul. Libertarian Party candidate Bob Barr opposed Ron Paul's presidential run.

JOKE:
At a Libertarian convention, the chairman pounded his gavel and called the meeting to order.
Voice from the back of the room: "Who the hell made you God?"
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know -- i was poking fun at all those "not a real conservative" type comments.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Without a shred of credibility based on your record of making ad hominem comments.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

show me one ad hominem I have ever made on this board, bats.

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