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Huggybear
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 7:37 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Has anyone else noticed the underground structure that construction workers dug up recently?

It's on the construction site for the new cruise ship terminal (along the south side of Atwater between the Hart Plaza police station and the Renaissance Center). It's closer to the police station and fairly close to the water.

The structure looks like the foundation of a building (or a basement). It has two rows of rooms connected by doorways with no hallways. Last I saw it, the crews had uncovered two rows of five rooms.

Anyone hear anything about what this is?
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Mallory
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 8:27 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think we found Jimmy Hoffa!
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Bigtreble
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey Huggybear,

I posted a photo and asked the same question yesterday. The only feedback offered was to investigate old pics on the wayne.edu historical photo archive.

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/177302.html?1237999964
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Thejesus
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh brother.

How long do you think before the posters from the "Lafayette Building" thread demand an immediate stop to construction of the PA terminal?

:D
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Dtowncitylover
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well if it has any archeoogical significance it would be common sense to stop, unearth whatever is there, and remove it so construction can continue. During the building of the RenCen there were findings, so it isn't illogical that something would be there.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thejesus,

The difference here is that progress is being made.
A dirt lot or parking lot is not progress.
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Thejesus
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Well if it has any archeoogical significance it would be common sense to stop"

I would agree with that, but it's unlikely we're dealing with an archaeological finding here. It's most likely just part of the man-made portions of the river bank. The riverbank didn't always have sidewalks and rails and concrete walls. Back in the day, it was piles of mud and rocks.
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Danindc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 3:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Old building found??? Tear that schitt down!!! It's holding back Detroit's progress!
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

HOLD ON! Let me park my car in it so see if it really is TRUE progress
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Eriedearie
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They may have unearthed a part of the structure to any one of the old pharmaceutical businesses that were housed in the area. I remember going on a job interview back in the 60s to one of those places around Atwater.
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Gistok
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That building could have been on the old River Road, which preceded the 1805 Detroit fire, and was around long before Jefferson and Atwater Streets were developed.
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

TEAR THAT SCHITT DOWN!
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Danindc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And please tear it down in a manner that ensures lots of collateral damage to nearby structures. It looks more impressive that way.
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lets just damage a piece of the people mover for old times sake!
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Danindc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^^^Ooooooh, good idea! That way, when the People Mover is shut down for 3 years, we can show how nobody rides mass transit in Detroit, and they won't waste all that money on the stupid streetcar and commuter rail plans.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looking at a photo of pre-RenCen days, but post Ford Auditorium days there's no structure there then.
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Danindc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Looking at a photo of pre-RenCen days, but post Ford Auditorium days there's no structure there then.



Then it must be a REALLY old building foundation! Blast that piece of land into the River, and send it downstream to those dirty Ohioans! Yeah!
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now we're starting to make some real economic headway for the big three!
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's OLD! We've GOT to GET RID OF IT! How are we supposed to have visitors come here from all over the world and see something OLD? How EMBARRASSING! :-)
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like the way you think DN...

Round up the elderly...
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Danindc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

Round up the elderly...



Shouldn't be too hard. OCP has already corralled the elderly into exactly three buildings downtown.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rRLwV2xafpk
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Retroit
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It doesn't look like it was there in the DTE 1949 aerial (if I am oriented correctly). It looks like it was a paved-over area near the loading docks for Bob-Lo boats.
In 1796, that area was a Navy Yard, or just east of that yard.
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check the Sanborn maps for 1922-29 next?
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Lilpup
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Looks that way in this aerial, too Retroit

http://www.jankaulins.com/aacg product.php?p=341
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D_mcc
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LP...All those old buildings need to go...they are all getting in the way of progress
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Eastsideal
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is what 1922 Sanborn map shows for that block (river on right):



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Lilpup
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Imagine how much more employment there would be if the city had stayed low rise instead of consolidating companies into high-rises. All that building maintenance and transportation!

It's the blank area in front of the PLC shown on that Sanborn (unless they're having to mess with something for the tunnel - electrical or ventilation)?

(Message edited by lilpup on March 26, 2009)
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 5:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Employment alone isn't the answer. If it were, we'd be delighted every time we opened a prison or started a war.
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Eastsideal
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 5:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

1884 Sanborn shows a "Wood Yard" there.