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Southwestmap
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This just posted in Crains:

Beaumont to open Beaumont Children's Hospital:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a rticle/20090325/FREE/903259989 /-1
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

not sure what your angle is here, SWM.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In other words, people in the suburbs no longer have to travel into Detroit for their children's intensive care.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They will, if Detroit's Children's Hospital provides better care. It will be about competition and product.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

War of the wards? :-)
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Southwestmap
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, as Nolan Findley wrote:

"Make no mistake; there are many suburbanites who are happy to heed Reeves' call of Detroit for Detroiters. Many would love to see a 10-foot fence surrounding the city, with no traffic in or out.

And the hard truth is they could live very well like that."

So now there will be two children's hospitals duplicating each other in hematology, oncology, immunology, etc. with 20 miles of each other - but one will be in the City and one in the suburbs . The new one will cannabalize the old one. And suburban parents won't have to travel into detroit any more.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^Considering how Beaumont is a highly accredited hospital, it's unlikely their children's hospital won't have comparable (or better) care.



(Message edited by DetroitRise on March 25, 2009)
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quote:

Surveys have shown that patients and physicians are not as aware that William Beaumont Hospitals in Royal Oak has a full-service children’s hospital as does the Detroit Medical Center or the University of Michigan, said Dr. Jeffrey Maisels, chairman of pediatrics at Beaumont Hospital.


From http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a rticle/20090325/FREE/903259989

It couldn't possibly be that Beaumont would like to improve the visibility of their Children's Hospital, thereby increasing competition and their bottom line (especially during a time when every dollar counts)? It MUST be a city vs. suburb issue, right?

Common sense says a little healthy comptetition as a good thing. Don't automatically assume this is a loss for Detroit...
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree with Fury13.
Now the ball is in Children Hospitals court to up their game with the future competition.

From what I've heard from people who have experienced CH I'm sure they'll be just fine.
I doubt anyone at CH is shaking in their boots over this announcement.
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Instead of framing this as a city-suburban war, why don't we just face facts: As long as we're going to try to live without regional cooperation or a real city center, we're going to have to keep duplicating services over the region, which raises the cost of doing business for everybody. I think that's the real loss we all share.
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Detroitrise
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Sadly, history in this region shows healthy competition usually leads to Detroit receiving the short end of the stick.

But we'll see how it all plays out...:-)
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Don't read too much into this. I've heard a lot of complaints about Beaumont's level of care recently. The place is no longer living up to the reputation it had.
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Beaumont is a terrible hospital. I'll go to the DMC anyday even though I live less than 2 miles from Beaumont-RO.
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quote:

The place is no longer living up to the reputation it had.



Well that's a small sigh of relief. :-)
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I've heard that they spit in the food at Beaumont.

Beaumont is a fine hospital as are the hospitals of the DMC. I've been to both, though more so Beaumont.

I've heard complaints about Beaumont, but I've also heard complaints about the DMC hospitals.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they also probably face a similar number of lawsuits.

I'm certainly not surprised that this thread has turned into a pissing match over whether Detroit or the suburbs have a better hospital.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is so odd that the link above is to a different article than the one first posted. The first article reads like this:

"William Beaumont Hospitals is forming a new entity called the William Beaumont Children's Hospital on its existing royal oak campus...

The BCH will offer 36 different pediatric medical and surgical sub-specialties with 83 pediatric sub-specialists.

The new unit (this is what they called it) will also have a surgical team dedicated to children. it will include board-certified pediatric anesthesiologists and more than 200 Board-certified pediatricians."
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I'm confident that Detroit will continue to improve, along with the introduction of Rapid Transit light rail, Commuter rail, the Downtown Transit hub, the other transit hub at New Center, the brand new 2nd campus for CCS at New Center, all of the greenways being built/planned, the renovation of Eastern Market and of buildings downtown. With all that, I'm confident that DMC will continue to be a leader and that Detroit will become more and more viable - and this will become less of a threat if it is a threat at all.
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DMC has over 10 children's treatment centers in the suburbs and out lying areas.

http://www.childrensdmc.org/?i d=284&sid=1

The more centers to help the kids the better.
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I think a region with almost five million people can support two hospitals that have centers that specialize in the needs of children.
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RO Beaumont is bursting at the seams. I've heard some negative stories that result from that. I've heard generally good things about Beaumont Troy however.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 2:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

I think a region with almost five million people can support two hospitals that have centers that specialize in the needs of children.



Technically, we have 3 (but the 3rd hospital is outside the tri-county area).
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 2:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Sadly, history in this region shows healthy competition usually leads to Detroit receiving the short end of the stick"

Come on Rise you have to admit detroit got it bad rep on its own. If Detroit receives the short end of the stick, its because detroit is the one shoviing the stick. I wish there was a way to end the city/suburban-black/white issue, but neither will let it die. I hope both hospitals do well. Quit blamming everything on each othe. One is to blame as much as the other.
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This is interesting as medical centres are one of the only reasons some people still venture into the city or downtowns of many American cities. Sad it takes getting sick for people to venture into the city.

It should be noted that many cities are using their medical districts as major economic engines and drivers of downtown renewal. So it is interesting to see Detroit getting de-centralized services while other cities centralize way more of these functions into their medical districts.

No matter what though, the DMC is still central to the entire metro region, and that gives it a legs up.
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It should be noted that many cities are using their medical districts as major economic engines and drivers of downtown renewal. So it is interesting to see Detroit getting de-centralized services while other cities centralize way more of these functions into their medical districts.

Very interesting. Providence, for example, just built a brand-new hospital in the middle of fucking nowhere. Their website says it's "very conveniently located." Maybe if you're a horse breeder it is.
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See how Buffalo is using their downtown medical district???
Click to see
http://www.bioinformatics.buff alo.edu/inc/CoE_video.htm
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 8:26 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Southwestmap,

What's The new Beaumont hospital has to do the with the Detroit/suburb war?
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Grand River and Beck Rd is hardly the middle of "fucking nowhere" !!! Rock Fiancial and all the thousands of people that go there would be surprised they were in the middle of "fucking nowhere".
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It is the middle of nowhere though, as it is not really central to the metropolitan region.

Why does a metro region that is not growing need a second childrens hospital?
Toronto's metro region is larger than Detroit's and we only have one childrens hospital.
Most cities are like that actually.

(Message edited by miketoronto on March 26, 2009)
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Southwestmap
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So you won't have to bring your sick child into the City - where Monica Conyers doesn't want you anyway!

I guess all you sanguine posters above think Beaumont will be happy to just have a corner of the 5th floor for its Children's Hospital and that it won't start to recruite professionals from Children's. No doubt.
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Seems to me that intersection is at the very edge of Novi's developed area. So I'd say it's on the edge of nowhere. :-)
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"It should be noted that many cities are using their medical districts as major economic engines and drivers of downtown renewal. So it is interesting to see Detroit getting de-centralized services while other cities centralize way more of these functions into their medical districts."

And the beat goes on. More opportunities missed.
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Because there are relatively few child patients, and because there is a learning curve for most forms of medical treatment, having two childrens' hospitals is likely to mean worse care for children. It is true that competition means those children will probably get better food, fluffier pillows, and a wider selection of video entertainment.

Of course, it also costs more, which is another reason why the US has the most expensive health care available.

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