  Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 2148 Registered: 03-2006 |
97.1 played some clips and it sounds like it's going to be a real embarrassment! These idiots fighting like five year olds is the standard jive you get out of them on these shows. I feel like this region has reverted back to the late seventies/eighties mentality,that at one point was healing well. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 1329 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote:What point was that, exactly? | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 180 Registered: 01-2009 |
I thought the clips were a hoot. Brooks being... well Brooks, slamming Ficano about Cobo. Ficano is whiny, Monica claims that Black people can't be racist, etc.. I'll watch. I like trainwrecks. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 2838 Registered: 10-2003 |
Monica only states that because she is one herself. Most racists do not like being tarnished by the name regardless of the truth. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 2151 Registered: 03-2006 |
I felt the city vs suburbs issue was calmed down a lot in the late nineties and early 00's. Now it's back to the way it was when I was a kiddie. | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 1933 Registered: 12-2006 |
Gosh, Chitaku, I hope it isn't getting back to that. Don't mistake the rants of a lunatic or two for what's really going on. The Cobo debacle bothers me less than it bothers a lot of other people because I've always felt, through this whole debate, like we were paying way too much attention to a big convention facility in a region that is - let's face it - not in the least a convention Mecca. Where the truth really comes out is in things like: how good a job did we do with the Super Bowl and the NCAA regional semis; how good a job will we do with the 2009 NCAA Men's Final Four; will we come together on regional transit; can we find some set of industries to replace automotive and convince them to come here. If we can move forward on some of those things, than I don't really give a jumping fuck about the ranting heads on the Sunday talkies. I think of them as irrelevant, then every weekend they open their mouths and prove me correct. | ||
Kraig Member Username: Kraig Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2009 |
Is it true that Wayne County is going to take 16,000,000.00 a year from the cigarette tax that is being applied to the County Debt and applying it to Cobo and another 9,000,000.00 is going to be applied from the Jobs Fund? That's crazy, I don't remember seeing that in the legislation. | ||
Heedus Member Username: Heedus Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2008 |
I know that the show hasn't aired yet, but you can watch the segments on the web: http://wwjtv.com/shows/detroit .shows.michigan.2.7080.html. The Ficano-Patterson bickering wouldn't be all that bad if it didn't paint an ominous picture of what is to come with the Cobo authority (provided that it survives the legal challenge). Mon-Con's continued race-baiting is just absolutely unbearable. | ||
Rbdetsport Member Username: Rbdetsport Post Number: 507 Registered: 11-2005 |
The Ficano-Patterson bickering was hilarious because it was obvious that they were enjoying it. I can see both viewpoints as viable. | ||
Gplimpton Member Username: Gplimpton Post Number: 310 Registered: 05-2007 |
Michigan Matters could be a great show if it had a great, or even good host. It really needs help. | ||
W_chicago Member Username: W_chicago Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2008 |
Black people, as a people, can't be "racist" Racism is a system of oppression Oppression = Privilege + Prejudice + Power I don't mean of one individual, but of a whole race, in our case one group of people, white people, having privilege and power at the expense of people of color. Although some individual black people might be called "racist," it is not accompanied by society wide institutional norms. So for the most part whites are privileged over blacks, even though Monica Conyers has way more money, privilege, and power than I do (being a white male). Also, please take into consideration (no matter how absurd the city council may behave, and yes they behavior is uncalled for) the 50 year long legacy of white supremacy and the almost all out war waged on the city by the suburbs, as a result of the fear of loosing their white privlage. | ||
Sparty06 Member Username: Sparty06 Post Number: 206 Registered: 03-2007 |
If black people can't be racist then what is the appropriate term for a black person who dislikes and/or engages in discrimination against white people solely because of the color of their skin? | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2009 |
W_Chicago: I heard that same inane argument on the radio the other day. The caller called it "prejudiced" versus being racist. quote: Same tactic being used presently in Detroit. Time of a racist tactic being used doesn't equate to an excuse for short term racist behavior. | ||
Blksoul_x Member Username: Blksoul_x Post Number: 470 Registered: 06-2007 |
I've stated this in the past on this site to some 'basic-white' people, and I'll state it again.... 'TRUE RACISM', 'WHITE SUPREMACY', 'WHITE-SKIN-PRIVILAGE', or what-ever term you choose to use, is defined and exist ONLY when a group holds a DISPPROPRTIONATE share of WEALTH, POWER, AND CONTROL, over another group, and impose those very resources to MARGINALIZE, EXPLOIT, EXCLUDE, SHUT-OUT, PASS-OVER, TERRORIZE, DE-RACINATE, DEHUMANIZE, DISCRIMINATE and SUBORDINATE the so-called 'lesser' group. In amerikkka', the 'white collective' who has historically used wealth and power to CONTROL and EXPLOIT, etc, Black Africans living in amerikkka' is the sole possessors of the reprehensible act defined as 'TRUE RACISM'! Historically, the 'white collective' and their agents were able to control the progress of Africans in amerikkka' by denying 'our' opportunity of employment, educational opportunities, business resources, on down to a place to eat, sleep, and travel. Absolutely NO GROUP of Black Africans holds the power or exclusive control of resources to the degree to which we can stifle, undermine, subvert, exploit or marginalize the authority and progress of the 'white collective'! So then, by that explanation, 'WE' CANNOT BE RACIST! 'We' can only react and alter the conditions to which 'TRUE RACISM' exist. What most 'basic white' people claim as racist, is simply a natural reaction to the entire bulwark of white dominate racism and white supremacy! blksoul_atcha! Founding member of the BJL...please check in! | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 186 Registered: 01-2009 |
quote: Racism by any other name is just that. Justify it any way you wish. A "natural reaction is just what keeps racial relations in the sorry state you seem to wish to perpetuate. No amount of concessions or considerations by "basic white people"would pacify or satisfy you, would it? Your sorry ass will not be satisfied until every White person is eliminated from your sad, myopic little world. Let's hear how you propose to end racism? Huh? Concrete answers? You can be, and are, racist,proving it by your hatred every single day, every single post. No good can or will come from you. (Message edited by stosh on March 21, 2009) | ||
Sludgedaddy Member Username: Sludgedaddy Post Number: 314 Registered: 01-2008 |
Well, well Mr. Soul ...explain this incident if you can....A few weeks ago a male of Bengali extraction was walking down Jos. Campau when he was followed by a few young members of your so called village. First they intimidated the above mentioned individual by mockingly doing a uvalating chant ( the sound some Muslims make when praying or chanting ). Then they proceded to beat the man senseless. Fortunately, they were arrested and will be charged with a hate crime. Is this typical of being incapable of racism or is it just a way of welcoming one of a different ethnic make-up to the hood? By the way...Is BlackquaMan still in the Black Justice League you founded? | ||
Blksoul_x Member Username: Blksoul_x Post Number: 472 Registered: 06-2007 |
Sludgedaddy stated, quote: I'll allow you the benefit-of-the-doubt that you are being facetious, relating toward the above quote... You essentially self-answered your naive state in the post by claiming that the perpetrators were accused of a 'Hate' crime. There is no moral or functionally equivolence between institutional racism and individual bigotry, bias or hatred. Institutional racism/white supremacy is distinguished from the 'bigotry' and 'hatred' of 'I-N-D-I-V-I-D-U-A-L-S' by the existence of systematic doctrines, forces and practices within the institution to which holds a direct consequence of disadvantaging certain groups of people! blksoul_atcha! Founding members of the BJL...please check in! | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 187 Registered: 01-2009 |
quote: quote: Yes, you can. Bigotry, and hatred are all symptoms of racism. Institutional and individual racism go hand in hand. Justify it all you like. | ||
Jat44 Member Username: Jat44 Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2008 |
Regardless, L. Brooks Patterson is a great guy who is not afraid to tell it like it is!!!! He has done a great deal for not only the city of Detroit but also for the state of Michigan. He is in no way a racist!!! Too bad he does not run for mayor of Detroit...just think of the good he could do for the city. | ||
Blksoul_x Member Username: Blksoul_x Post Number: 473 Registered: 06-2007 |
The arrogance, amnesia, and ignorance of history impedes the 'basic-white' understanding that racism/white supremacy and the prejudice of some Africans in amerikkka' are not one of the same affair. Africans in amerikkka' have a reason for our feelings about 'basic white' people that is predicated upon the history of how we were treated by white people. 'TRUE RACISM', reinforces the legacies of slavery, semi-slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, Black coding, sundown laws, exclusionary acts, convict leasing, over-representation in the criminal system etc. What historically, does Black prejudice/or as 'basic-white' people claim, 'Black racism' reinforce? blksoul_atcha! Founding member of the BJL...please check in! | ||
Retroit Member Username: Retroit Post Number: 1044 Registered: 04-2008 |
"DE-RACINATE", Blksoul_x? That is what I would like to do to you! DE-RACINATE you! | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 188 Registered: 01-2009 |
quote: Of course, historically, black people have been and probably still are, somewhat oppressed. I can't deny that fact. What I object to is the blanket statement that there are no black racists. Of course there are. The denial of the simple fact that some black people are racist flies in the face of common sense. There are all types of people in all the races on Earth. Racists, fools, poets, dreamers, lovers. Look to the best in all people if one can find it. Denying the humanity of all and demonizing some is truly not the way to go through life. The'basic-white argument you present also smacks of racist codespeak as well. Lumping all members of a race into a 'basic-white group implies that you feel that all white people are alike and share the same mindset. Some might, others may not. It's all up to the individual, as you said previously, in the case of the unfortunate Hamtramck immigrant. | ||
Thafuzz Member Username: Thafuzz Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2008 |
Racism is a system of oppression Wrong. It is an instrument of oppression, just as sexism, ageism, or any other "ism" you choose. And not all acts of racism are linked to oppression, as Mrs. Conyers has so artfully portrayed during her political career. | ||
Zrx_doug Member Username: Zrx_doug Post Number: 891 Registered: 03-2008 |
BSX..go buy a dictionary. Then go buy a thesaurus. Learn to use both of the above. Next, go find a person who is both literate and friendly to your cause, and ask him to proof-read your posts before you hit the "enter" key and stick your foot in your mouth. It's quite clear that you do not know the meaning of about 40% (conservative guess) of the words you type. You and Monica BOTH need to go look up the meaning(s) of the word "racism." YOU my friend, are very much a racist. It becomes more apparent with every word you post.. | ||
Robtruth Member Username: Robtruth Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2006 |
Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation: \ˈrâ-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\ Function: noun Date: 1933 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination from m-w.com | ||
Robtruth Member Username: Robtruth Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2006 |
Main Entry: prej·u·dice Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment — more at judicial Date: 13th century 1: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights ; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims 2 a (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics from m-w.com So it seems to me that if a white person prevents a black person from getting hired simply by being black, for example, the white person is judged racist. If a black person does the same thing to a white person, then according to Merriam-Webster, the black person is racist as well. It seems simple enough for any thinking person to determine which way racism has flowed in America. I myself have not seen too many instances of black people saying just because I am black means I am better than any other collective group. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 3796 Registered: 06-2008 |
BSX, You may beleive that you and MonCon have licenses to run around spouting off ignorant garbage while being impervious to the label of 'racist', but that doesn't mean what you do isn't completely tasteless. And all labels aside, understand that many of us look at you just as unfavorably as we do white racists and view you both as an impediment to progress. You can sit there and claim to be opposed to institutional racism, but I guarantee you that going around acting like you does nothing but reinforce it rather than undermine it. However, I take you for the type that just likes to bitch a lot and wouldn't be deterred by the knowledge that you're hurting your own cause. | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 189 Registered: 01-2009 |
I like the reasoned approach Robtruth laid out as an argument. I do take issue with the definitions presented, though. quote: I really didn't think that in today's age that anyone would think that one racial group or another is superior, then I recall certain recent genocides around the world, in Europe (Bosnia), in Africa (Sudan,Mauretania) and in Asia (Tibet, among others). I feel that the above definition needs to be tossed into the dustbin of history. That smacks of something Mengele would have approved of. quote: Conversely, I can't say that white people have stated that they are superior to other ethnic groups because they are white lately either. But there's obvious exceptions to that as well. Personally, I'm all for the second definition as THE definition of racism. Clear cut, and to the point. Racism is prejudice, prejudice is racism. (Message edited by stosh on March 22, 2009) | ||
Zrx_doug Member Username: Zrx_doug Post Number: 892 Registered: 03-2008 |
Racism. 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. You rather conveniently left "usually" out of the definition you chose, and you completely omitted the third definition, which is germane to this discussion. | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 770 Registered: 08-2007 |
quote: This is completely false. A straight man can be prejudiced of a gay man even if both men are of the same race. Racism has many causes and is not just rooted in ignorance of those of a different ethnicity. Racism is not prejudice, although it may consist of prejudice, and prejudice most certainly is not racism. | ||
Stosh Member Username: Stosh Post Number: 190 Registered: 01-2009 |
Fine your'e right. Let's not use the word racism at all then. It's ALL prejudice. |
