Kevgoblu Member Username: Kevgoblu
Post Number: 192 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:03 pm: | |
I think Cheddar is on point. Its a shame the guy died, but thats certainly not the fault of the utility company. On a side note. While everyone is concerned about the poor man who died, what about the conversation that is evoked when people talk about high gas bills? Without fail, you will hear a comment within 30 seconds about having to subsidize the deadbeats who don't pay their bills. |
Detroitbred Member Username: Detroitbred
Post Number: 218 Registered: 06-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:13 pm: | |
Carolcb, I agree with you 100%. For this poor man to live 93 years, survive going to war, etc, only to die from the cold in his own home is a crime. I understand the ultility company's are in the business of making money and all that, but there is no defense for what happened to this man. There should be some law that prevents this from happening to anyone else. I guess they will get their money now won't they? |
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485
Post Number: 997 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:26 pm: | |
Kevgoblu, these utilities will eventually get their money but it should not be at the cost of someone's death. What makes everyone upset is that people like this WWII veteran are dying or suffering near death in record-breaking subzero temperatures when this could have been prevented. DTE and Consumer Energy under state rules cannot turn off homeowners' heat between November and April. Yet this policy was not official for municipal utility companies. This has been a very cold, brutal winter season. How would you feel if this was a struggling family with young children found frozen to death in that home? You would be outraged. Let's think about basic human rights here. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 986 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:42 pm: | |
quote:DTE and Consumer Energy under state rules cannot turn off homeowners' heat between November and April. I do not believe this is true. I am not saying it shouldn't be but I don't believe it is. |
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485
Post Number: 999 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 1:50 pm: | |
CORRECTION: Ban on heat shutoffs by regulated utilities applies only to seniors and low-income residents. http://www.freep.com/article/2 0090128/BUSINESS06/901280380/M oney+woes+raise+fears+of+unpai d+utility+bills "Normally, seniors and low-income residents are protected against winter utility shutoffs by order of the PSC. But the PSC's ban on those shutoffs applies only to regulated utilities such as DTE Energy and Consumers Energy, and not to the state's 41 municipally owned electric utilities, such as the one in Bay City, that are not regulated by the state. In another key difference, the Bay City utility had installed a limiter device to restrict the use of electricity at Schur's home on Jan. 13. The limiter shuts off power to a residence once usage rises above a predetermined level. The limiter can be reset, but that did not happen in Schur's case for reasons that are unclear. No regulated utilities in Michigan use the limiter devices, Palnau said. Identifying seniors Moreover, regulated utilities usually have policies in place to try to identify which of its customers are seniors. Consumers Power, for example, asks all new customers if they are 65 years of age or older, said Debra Dodd, a spokeswoman for the utility. Its meter readers are encouraged to report it if a customer appears to be elderly." |
Mama_jackson Member Username: Mama_jackson
Post Number: 473 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 2:07 pm: | |
I heard about this poor man the other day and I was thinking back to a time in my own life when utitlites were tough to pay for. There but the Grace of God, go I. I personally don't know what the "fix" would have been for this fellow, but he never should have died because of his finances. It's tragic. And I think we can all safety agree on that fact. It isn't easy to come up with the money with the skyrocketing cost we just experienced due to the prices of gas. We are charged a higher rate now because of the price when gas was $4.50 a gallon. Why are we all paying for our electricity anyway? Hasn't it become as much of a necessity as air? I wish we never had to pay for water, sewer or electrity. As long as these "products" are created with the high cost involved, we will always be paying for these necessities. I seriously wish the new thermal heating and cooling wasn't so expensive to adapt to. It would lower peoples utility bills. To be completely free to just pay for lights and gas (for cooking)? Awesome. |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 4427 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 2:13 pm: | |
Utility companies these days have one goal. MAKE A PROFIT! If you don't pay the electric company, you get shut off. Doesn't matter what age or whatever city, state and gov't regulators can do halt the price and keep the lights on your house and church or business. Welcome to America Where there's no such thing as a free lunch. |
Jcole Member Username: Jcole
Post Number: 5581 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 2:21 pm: | |
quote:I personally don't know what the "fix" would have been for this fellow, but he never should have died because of his finances. He didn't die because of his finances. He had the money to pay the bill on the kitchen table. |
Thames Member Username: Thames
Post Number: 361 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 2:26 pm: | |
quote: "Why are we all paying for our electricity anyway? Hasn't it become as much of a necessity as air? I wish we never had to pay for water, sewer or electrity." Or housing. I wish we never had to pay for water, sewer or electricity or housing. Or food. I wish we never had to pay for water, sewer or electricity or housing or food. |
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten
Post Number: 604 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 2:37 pm: | |
"Utility companies these days have one goal. MAKE A PROFIT! If you don't pay the electric company, you get shut off. Doesn't matter what age or whatever city, state and gov't regulators can do halt the price and keep the lights on your house and church or business. Welcome to America Where there's no such thing as a free lunch" Quote I don't think we're looking for a free lunch, we all understand the profit motive. Because, in most cases we are dealing with a monopoly we don't have a choice regarding what we pay, customer service, etc. The utilities do tend to be heavy-handed towards its customers and I wouldn't object at all if some kind of legislation was introduced regarding winter shutoff/limiter moratoriums given these economic times. If that happens watch your friendly utility company jump up and down screaming. Besides I'm not against shutoffs, I'm against shutoffs/limiter devices in the dead of winter The companies can still make their point April-Oct. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1666 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 4:41 pm: | |
quote:Karma is nothing to play with Wrong again, ltoriva. It is something to play with.
quote:so the insults need to cease now There have been no insults. Only facts that support my position pointing out your hypocrisy. You might be catching up to sstashmoo for the all around champion of being wrong. Just like you were wrong when you said,
quote:Consumer Energy under state rules cannot turn off homeowners' heat between November and April
quote:My sidenote was related, and just a brief sidenote Downtownlady, my side note was related and brief, too.
quote:but I still don't see the value in harping on someone over and over and over again for something that they wrote three months ago. So are you proposing that people should be able to make stupid, inflammatory, and wrong statements and we should just forget about it because some time has passed? Because I think they should be remembered as a demonstrated pattern of stupidity.
quote:Troll is here to piss you off, then when you react, he can then copy and paste it over to the "other" forum Sstashmoo, how can I copy and paste anything over there if I'm not even registered? You sure do like to be wrong, don't you? You could not possibly even provide any evidence of your bullshit because it has never happened. How does it make you feel that, among other people, my posts are generally considered spot-on while yours are categorized in a different, less than flattering manner? As for topic at hand, the company has been making changes and that is perfectly acceptable. Good for them. Just stop blaming them for a tragic accident where blame should not be assigned. |
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady
Post Number: 524 Registered: 08-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:13 pm: | |
quote:So are you proposing that people should be able to make stupid, inflammatory, and wrong statements and we should just forget about it because some time has passed? Yes. Especially after you've addressed the stupid, wrong or inflammatory statements 17 times. But it's not always about stupid, wrong or inflammatory statements -- Sean of Detroit cannot even make the most innocuous statement without you jumping on him, so what's that about? He asks for a recommendation for an oil change shop downtown and you harass him. What was stupid, wrong or inflammatory there? Or is it just that you enjoy bullying people?
quote:Because I think they should be remembered as a demonstrated pattern of stupidity. Yes, some people do have demonstrated patterns of stupidity. |
Purpleheart Member Username: Purpleheart
Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:14 pm: | |
The Michigan Veterans Trust Fund is fully operational and funded completely. The prior amounts deposited are enough to draw interest and keep the fund alive for decades. In the past 10 years or so the elements directing the fund have been too frugal in administering the benefit. Now that has changed and I suggest that if any of you know of this situtation please direct the Veteran to this site: http://www.michigan.gov/dmva/0 ,1607,7-126-2362-8892--,00.htm l Not to say that any senior life is less important than that of a Veteran, but there are other programs in place for them. As for the poster who suggested this man go into a VA home, brother you are so far in the hole you can't see the sun. There are years waiting lists for admission to the State's Only VA home. |
Bobl Member Username: Bobl
Post Number: 430 Registered: 07-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:14 pm: | |
Sumas: I agree. ADOPT A SENIOR! Somehow, the words to the old John Prine song "Hello In There" come to mind. It's time for citizens to take some responsibility. Shovel snow. Run errands. Just keep an eye out. Neighbors did this in the past. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3204 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:38 pm: | |
Quote: "Sean of Detroit cannot even make the most innocuous statement without you jumping on him," Three times a few weeks ago I asked this person three very simple and casual questions and each time it was replied to with various sarcasm and insult. Cheddar wrote: "There have been no insults." Then what do you call this? Cheddar wrote just a few posts back: "No, I won't. I can't stand stupid people and/or hipocrites and I pick on them because they deserve it." |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1668 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:39 pm: | |
Downtownlady, I have addressed Sean of Detroit specifically by name very few times. No more than half a dozen, probably less. Each time was deserved. As far as me giving people a pass after a period of time, you can forget it. If people want to continue to post bullshit and outright lies, I will continue to point it out, in addition to their continued history of doing such. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1669 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:42 pm: | |
Sstashmoo, I call it a vague generalization that doesn't insult anybody in particular. You might call it something different, but then again you're usually wrong. |
Bobl Member Username: Bobl
Post Number: 432 Registered: 07-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:43 pm: | |
From John Prine: We had an apartment in the city, Me and Loretta liked living there. Well, it'd been years since the kids had grown, A life of their own left us alone. John and Linda live in Omaha, And Joe is somewhere on the road. We lost Davy in the Korean war, And I still don't know what for, don't matter anymore. Chorus: Ya' know that old trees just grow stronger, And old rivers grow wilder ev'ry day. Old people just grow lonesome Waiting for someone to say, "Hello in there, hello." Me and Loretta, we don't talk much more, She sits and stares through the back door screen. And all the news just repeats itself Like some forgotten dream that we've both seen. Someday I'll go and call up Rudy, We worked together at the factory. But what could I say if he asks "What's new?" "Nothing, what's with you? Nothing much to do." Repeat Chorus: So if you're walking down the street sometime And spot some hollow ancient eyes, Please don't just pass 'em by and stare As if you didn't care, say, "Hello in there, hello." |
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady
Post Number: 525 Registered: 08-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:54 pm: | |
quote:I have addressed Sean of Detroit specifically by name very few times. No more than half a dozen, probably less. So the other 87 times that you've harassed him but didn't use his name don't count?
quote:Each time was deserved. Harassment over his request for an oil change recommendation was deserved? Oh wait, you didn't address him by name so it doesn't count.
quote:As far as me giving people a pass after a period of time, you can forget it. Hey man, it's your life. If you want to hold on to something that you disagreed with months ago, it is certainly your right to do so. But it is just a forum, and you probably do not know 99% of the people here beyond this computer screen, so what's the point? But again, that's up to you. If holding on to the negativity feels right to you, then by all means do so.
quote:If people want to continue to post bullshit and outright lies, I will continue to point it out, in addition to their continued history of doing such. Well, I can't disagree with that statement in theory, except to say that you harass people even when it doesn't involve bullshit and outright lies, or even when there is not a continued history. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3205 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 5:55 pm: | |
Quote: "Sstashmoo, I call it a vague generalization that doesn't insult anybody in particular. You might call it something different, but then again you're usually wrong." You've never proven it one time. EVER. You keep spouting bullshit until people tire of your adolescent BS and ignore you. That's not winning a debate. As far as you trying to judge me or anyone else on the accuracy of their opinions, that is a fucking laugh. "Vague generalization" my ass. You insult people on here continually. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1670 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 9:15 pm: | |
Downtownlady, you're exaggerating. I have not directly said anything to SOD more than six times. Nor have I refered to him an extraordinary amount of times. If you're so insistant that I have, you're welcome to demonstrate your point with proof. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1671 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 9:34 pm: | |
Sstashmoo, on a number of occasions you've been asked to provide proof of statements you've made. When you ignore the requests, one can only logically assume that you are full of shit.
quote:When will you people learn?... Seriously, ignore him. When are you going to take your own advice? |
Downtown_lady Member Username: Downtown_lady
Post Number: 526 Registered: 08-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 9:45 pm: | |
Cheddar Bob, I am not about to search the archives to count how many times you've bullied Sean of Detroit. You've done it enough that it's become noticeable, enough to the point where Sean felt compelled to write "Here we go again, Cheddar wants me to explain my every move and statement to him." Whether 6 times or 87 times, how much is enough? Anyway, I'm done. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3206 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 9:47 pm: | |
Hop along bunny boy. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1673 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 10:50 pm: | |
quote:I am not about to search the archives Okay, if you want to exaggerate and pull numbers out of your ass that is your right. Nobody is going to force you to validate your claims. While some people are not able to take their own advice, you could always heed that advice and just ignore me. |
Rickinatlanta Member Username: Rickinatlanta
Post Number: 247 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:07 pm: | |
Really a great example of how some of you from BOTH sides of opinion can thread jack this into a pissing contest over who's right! QUIT TALKING about your self and focus your comments on the thread at hand. Otherwise start a new thread on NON-DETROIT ISSUES. Enough is enough!! |
Sumas Member Username: Sumas
Post Number: 636 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:18 pm: | |
Thank you for the words to John Prine's song. It is sad but spot on. I appreciate the time you took to write out the lyrics. I have used Warren Zevon's song before on this forum as a quote but it seems appropriate to quote him again, " Don't let us get sick, don't let us get old, don't let us get stupid allright........." That poor old man died alone and senselessly. I am glad to hear that there is help for aged veterans. We seem to collect needy people, so one day that info might be helpful. There are a lot of people who are alone and need some support or assistance. Just be kind and aware of the people around you. Help can be as simple as checking in on seniors who you know. Add other friends who might be younger but also need some attention due to ill health. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3207 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:19 pm: | |
"Okay, if you want to exaggerate and pull numbers out of your ass" Nobody owes you any verification for anything, and they don't deserve to be harangued by you for not meeting your demands or agreeing with you. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1674 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 11:52 pm: | |
Rickinatlanta, I think we've all had our say in the situation. I don't think anyone is changing anyone else's mind at this point so the only thing left is a pissing match. Sstashmoo implores other people to ignore me, but refuses to take that advice for himself because he cannot rest unless he has the last word. Hell, he'll probably respond to this very post in a matter of minutes. |
Rickinatlanta Member Username: Rickinatlanta
Post Number: 249 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 12:15 am: | |
I'd have to agree with that assessment...good night. |
Johnnie_sue_bridges Member Username: Johnnie_sue_bridges
Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:33 am: | |
This makes me so very sad. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20090129/M ETRO08/901290400 |
Jcole Member Username: Jcole
Post Number: 5590 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:43 am: | |
There's a thread dedicated to that story: Frozen Man |
Carolcb Member Username: Carolcb
Post Number: 2204 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 4:50 pm: | |
CNN is on right now just going off on the fact this poor man froze to death in his own home over a thousand dollars..... |
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie
Post Number: 1171 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 5:33 pm: | |
For those of you who blame the man for not paying the bill when he had the money clipped to the bill, don't be so quick to judge. Have you ever tried to help a 90+ year old person with his her or chores? The Bay City man might have completely forgotten about the bill, or ran out of stamps, or couldn't get around outside in that weather. Or didn't pay it for some other reason that he, in a confused state, couldn't even remember later on. |
Thames Member Username: Thames
Post Number: 362 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 6:02 pm: | |
I don't blame the man for not paying his bill, however, I am not going to blame the power company either. I think there is not enough information about this to blame anyone...yet. It is now being reported that he had no phone service. Maybe he didn't pay that bill too and the phone company disconnected him. If that's the case, and to keep with playing the blame game, maybe we should fault the phone company? Afterall, they are the ones who cut off this poor old guy's only link to the outside world. He couldn't even call 911. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3208 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 6:24 pm: | |
Th utility companies are a public service, and with that service like any service comes an obligation to the customers. Especially where the risk of death is involved. Some responsibility should have been taken before they just cut the service. How much would it have cost for them to send someone out and assess the situation? How long would it have took for the person who shut it off at the residence to tap on the door and inform them they were shutting it off? The old guy would have more than likely paid the bill right then. What they did may be legal, but it sure as hell wasn't right. All of you saying "it's his own fault", if it was your father you would be singing a different tune. Maybe not. (Message edited by Sstashmoo on January 29, 2009) |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1680 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 7:16 pm: | |
quote:with that service like any service comes an obligation to the customers Services like free mental health screenings and complete health check ups. We should be making sure that service workers also are medically trained doctors.
quote:Some responsibility should have been taken before they just cut the service How many times has it been mentioned that the service was not cut? Dozens? I guess some people refuse to believe facts no matter how many times you tell them.
quote:All of you saying "it's his own fault", Nobody said "it's his own fault". I certainly didn't but again, don't let the facts get in the way of your argument. |
Mikem Member Username: Mikem
Post Number: 1884 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 9:45 pm: | |
Sumpter Township man found frozen in truck
quote:A 67-year-old man has been found frozen in his truck outside his Detroit-area home. He was sitting in the front seat of his truck with the door open. Police say Hayes was covered with snow but may have died from a heart attack or other cause. He may have been dead for two weeks. |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 3571 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 10:03 pm: | |
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Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3211 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:21 pm: | |
Quote: "How many times has it been mentioned that the service was not cut? Dozens? I guess some people refuse to believe facts no matter how many times you tell them." From the article referenced: ""The device limits the flow of electricity to the house. If the flow exceeds the limited amount, the device shuts down and must be reset. The device had apparently shut down prior to Schur's death."" Read this part again ok? ""the device shuts down and must be reset. The device had apparently shut down prior to Schur's death."" i.e. it was "cut off". Satisfied? Didn't think so. I'm sure you'll come back with some inane definition and the correct nomenclature for discontinuance of service. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1685 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:39 pm: | |
You said "they just cut the service". No, they didn't "just cut the service". |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3212 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:50 pm: | |
There is an thread regarding illegals on the Non-Detroit side. I noticed you had not jumped in. There's got to be something there you can contradict. Why don't ya go over and show em' how smart you are? If I was as smart as you, man I'd be there. |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1686 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 12:00 am: | |
quote:If I was as smart as you, man I'd be there But you're not.
quote:There's got to be something there you can contradict If you've posted on it, you can count on it. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3213 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 12:28 am: | |
Perfect, looking forward to it. Come to think of it, there are a few posts I did earlier, you might want to go have a look at them. Do you need links? What am I thinking, as smart as you are, you'll find them. It sure is nice knowing someone as smart as you. (Message edited by Sstashmoo on January 30, 2009) |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1689 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 4:39 pm: | |
quote:you might want to go have a look at them Meh, if I come across them, fine. Your posts tend to stand out.
quote:What am I thinking I wonder that myself sometimes.
quote:It sure is nice knowing someone as smart as you. Thanks, but someone's got to fill the balance. |
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo
Post Number: 3217 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 4:43 pm: | |
Quote: "Your posts tend to stand out." Thanks. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 9271 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 4:46 pm: | |
You two are funny. |
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56
Post Number: 732 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 8:58 pm: | |
Hey Look! A pissing match!!! Who's the better pisser???? |
Thames Member Username: Thames
Post Number: 367 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 - 9:32 pm: | |
Gannon |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 987 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 8:56 am: | |
quote:Hey Look! A pissing match!!! Who's the better pisser???? It burns when I pee. lol |
Cheddar_bob Member Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1691 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 5:14 pm: | |
Gumby, party at "The Loft" tonight. |
Ruxy17 Member Username: Ruxy17
Post Number: 84 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 8:47 am: | |
WWII Vet Frozen to Death Leaves Estate to Hospital Story says it's over half a mil. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/ 04/freezing.death.folo/index.h tml top story on cnn.com this morning. |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 3659 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 9:01 am: | |
^^^^Truth is stranger than fiction - ^^^^^ Maybe the Detroit frozen warehouse guy will turn out to be Matty Maroun's illegitimate son. |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 3674 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 6:27 pm: | |
Bump - still viable. (Unlike a WWII vet}. |
Terridarlin Member Username: Terridarlin
Post Number: 105 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 7:43 pm: | |
Sumas, I love your idea to adopt a senior, and I will. If a few of us follow your great suggestion, Marvin Schur will not have died in vain. |
Vetalalumni Member Username: Vetalalumni
Post Number: 1088 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 7:46 pm: | |
Yes Sumas, great idea. |