  Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 640 Registered: 03-2005 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20081114/M ETRO01/811140423 Am I getting jaded, or do you agree these shootings were justified? | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 6009 Registered: 10-2003 |
Neither do I. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5613 Registered: 06-2004 |
The ones who didn't fire at the cops could have easily been suicides by cop, especially the one who pulled up in the car. | ||
Homer Member Username: Homer Post Number: 375 Registered: 08-2004 |
Live by the sword die by the sword. | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 622 Registered: 05-2007 |
you pull a gun on someone, they have the right to pull a gun back on you. You're stupid enough to flash a gun at a Police Officer, you deserve the mortal consequences. Plain and Simple! | ||
Daddeeo Member Username: Daddeeo Post Number: 296 Registered: 09-2008 |
That's one way to cut down crime in the city. Saves the taxpayers money too. | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 408 Registered: 03-2007 |
I absolutely agree. | ||
Docterry Member Username: Docterry Post Number: 135 Registered: 08-2008 |
Yep - pretty hard to expect that they'd get any other reaction. I don't think it's jaded - just realistic. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. | ||
Choquant Member Username: Choquant Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2007 |
Yeah, it's hard to feel bad for someone when they brought their fate upon themselves. It's hard to care about scumbags anyway. Also, I can't imagine that even the dumbest person could think that pointing a gun at an officer would end joyfully. | ||
Lowell Moderator Username: Lowell Post Number: 5150 Registered: 09-2003 |
I think we all support our public safety officers and have to give them the benefit of doubt, yet we must always be on guard against the extremely rare rogue cases. They can be very damaging to public relations, cost the city millions and, as a consequence, endanger other officers. For instance, had the News article read, "Off duty Mayor Kilpatrick executive protection unit officer shoots and kills armed exotic dancer," I wonder what the response of this forum would have been then? | ||
Leannam1989 Member Username: Leannam1989 Post Number: 108 Registered: 06-2008 |
Kinda stupid to flash a gun at a cop. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3867 Registered: 01-2005 |
"Mayor Kilpatrick shoots and kills armed exotic dancer" Lowell, If I can edit your last sentence just a little, I think that would have been a better story........  | ||
Eastburn Member Username: Eastburn Post Number: 538 Registered: 03-2008 |
Probably didn't know he was a cop. Story says the officer was off duty. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 3447 Registered: 01-2004 |
yeah, first story could be fishy. what was happening that prompted dude to pull his gun on the cop ? nothing ? i have witnessed a person shot by police, and those police were later charged by the State police for planting a weapon after the murder. The police walked, even after being sued by Fieger on behalf of the murdered man. "Live by the sword die by the sword." Doesnt that apply to law enforcement as well? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 9116 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Unfortunately, I don't find that fishy at all. Wish I did. | ||
Wykkidx Member Username: Wykkidx Post Number: 71 Registered: 12-2004 |
I guess that guy should have stayed in bed, instead of looking for some quick cash. I wonder how long it will be till someone starts jabbering on the news saying that he was a good man who never did anything to anybody and tries to sue the city for 5 million. | ||
Kevgoblu Member Username: Kevgoblu Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2007 |
how long? oh....I'd say right around (what time is the news on?) 5pm. | ||
Eric_c Member Username: Eric_c Post Number: 1298 Registered: 11-2003 |
I saw a fat scuzzy bitch dump a bag of trash out her window at Caniff and I-75 today. Reason I could never own a gun is because if I had one, people like her would be dead all over this town. | ||
Lowell Moderator Username: Lowell Post Number: 5151 Registered: 09-2003 |
LOL Ray1936... five will get you ten that he is getting dancers smuggled into his cell. | ||
Bcscott Member Username: Bcscott Post Number: 81 Registered: 05-2008 |
Nice shooting on the officer's part. | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 2057 Registered: 11-2003 |
"Don't pull the thang out, unless you plan to bang" - Outkast | ||
Margdar Member Username: Margdar Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2007 |
"Bombs over Baghdaaaaaaad..." | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 2059 Registered: 11-2003 |
^ It all comes full circle, seems like Baghdad in Detroit sometimes. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 2880 Registered: 07-2007 |
Why is there even a question. You pull a gun on a cop and you should die. | ||
Ct_alum Member Username: Ct_alum Post Number: 21 Registered: 10-2008 |
You posters have never heard of "throwdown" guns? Come in handy when you shoot an unarmed person. Question to any and all: Does DPD still hire people with criminal records? Might explain why they are still under the Federal consent decree for use of excessive force (among other transgressions). Would also explain why most other departments won't touch ex-DPD with a 10-foot pole.......... | ||
Lodgedodger Member Username: Lodgedodger Post Number: 898 Registered: 05-2008 |
Throwdown guns? What are they, spares? | ||
7051 Member Username: 7051 Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2006 |
Many big cities have been here in the last 5 years heavily recruiting DPDers for lateral transfers (Denver, Houston, L.A. come to mind). | ||
Sean_of_detroit Member Username: Sean_of_detroit Post Number: 2200 Registered: 03-2008 |
I'd say you might be a little jaded. Suicides still warrant pity, along with even more questions and frustration than usual. On top of that, we have the police officer who gets to look back at his life someday, and know he will never know why he had to kill one of the people he had sworn to protect. That's unfortunate and irremovable weight on the soul. | ||
Mortalman Member Username: Mortalman Post Number: 483 Registered: 03-2007 |
You have to remember Diehard once you shoot the gun you can't recall the bullet. The 1st thing that came to mind for me was that's a good start. Or, too bad they didn't get a couple of scrappers. But, once I got past my childish reactions and thought about what I was thinking it made me sad to think that my humanity has dipped so low by my jaded thinking that I have trivialized a human being. That kind of thinking in the end might make me feel good for a second but anymore than a second and it says something about my humanity and the loss of it which makes me the loser. If my thinking gets that jaded then I need to consider getting out of Detroit all together and checking my thinking and feelings because I promise you if I think this way about this incident that it doesn't stop there. Expanding this thinking makes me think about the reason police have gotten a bad rap about overreacting to people and situations. The reason we have safeguards such as the reading of our rights when we are arrested is not because somebody woke up one morning and thought it was a good idea to do that. It came about because of the brutality of the police in carrying out their duties to the public and the city. I'm old enough to remember the "BIG FOUR" patrolling the streets of Detroit and shaking people down at will, with no cause as much as a dozen times in one night. And, if they didn't like what you said or even just the way you looked at them you would be in for the surprise of your life. I lived in the Davison Precinct and it was nothing for them to pile you in their patrol car, drive you to Jayne Field, beat the living shit out of you and leave you there bleeding and bruised. So, just remember it is important to respect the police but that respect needs to be tempered by a healthy dose of vigilance. So, just remember if you have a trigger happy police force you might be on the wrong end of one of those guns. The police need to be reminded that they are there to serve and protect all the citizens. That's my rant for today!  | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 641 Registered: 03-2005 |
Understood Mortalman. Even so, I bet you're still relieved that if someone was going to get shot, it wasn't the cop. And I bet you'd never point a gun at a cop yourself. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 1522 Registered: 11-2005 |
I agree: Waste 'em. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 503 Registered: 05-2006 |
Of course it can't be proven but its a good chance it was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S uicide_by_cop | ||
Ct_alum Member Username: Ct_alum Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2008 |
Lodgedodger: A "throwdown" gun is a gun that has been confiscated from someone during a traffic stop, etc. but not turned in. It is carried (usually in the small of the back)and then placed next to or in the hand of an unarmed person after they have been shot. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 5626 Registered: 06-2004 |
geez, could there be any sense of failure worse than trying suicide by cop only to be taken down safely by pepper spray? | ||
Davemarc Member Username: Davemarc Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2008 |
Ct,You watch way to many cop shows.I know MANY suburban departments that hire ex-dpd.Thats part of the problem.I know many current officers that went through the training program with DPD,and leave as soon as they can(I think its 2 years)Its better/cheaper training to get than a L/E degree.There are some bad apples,and those are the ones you hear about.For every one of those,there are ton of cops that do their jobs to the best of their ability....climbs down from soapbox... |
