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Username: Mopardan
Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:25 pm: |    |
LilPup, I just read the paper you linked to on the Toyota plant in San Antonio & what the public is paying on it. They'll probably keep it open just long enough until they can build one in Mexico & pay the workers there in pesos. |
Be_in_va
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Username: Be_in_va
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:41 pm: | |
why blame alabama for the hole Detroit, the auto execs, and you union folks dug for yourselves?? |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 2879
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:44 pm: | |
It wouldn't be much of a democracy if every bill put in front of the House & Senate was automatically, unanimously passed.
The guy from Alabama believes that the automakers are irresponsible fuck-ups who are begging the government to hoist them out of a quicksand back into which they are almost certain to directly slide. As he is an elected representative of the people of Alabama, there is nothing untoward about his attempt to protect the taxpayers in Alabama from being forced to participate in a relief loan which he does not believe will cure the financial malady.
To use internet-forum jargon, he's "calling bullshit" on a matter wherein he thinks he is smelling just that.
This "boycott Alabama" chant is childish and over-sensitive, and it is really not much different than the round of wailing & teeth-gnashing which broke out in this forum when television's Dr. House uttered a snarky remark about our city.
Grow up. Not everybody thinks that tie is a good match with your suit. |
Jcole
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Username: Jcole
Post Number: 5028
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:46 pm: | |
"why blame alabama for the hole Detroit, the auto execs, and you union folks dug for yourselves??"
Because the 'hole' was widened and deepened by these 'esteemed' senators and our president deregulating the mortgage and lending industry, for one thing.
For another, Sen. Shelby, et al, are using the financial crisis to try and bust the union.
Talk about your great Americans. |
Retroit
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Username: Retroit
Post Number: 570
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:55 pm: | |
Boycott Washington D.C. |
Cheddar_bob
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Username: Cheddar_bob
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:55 pm: | |
Don't forget to boycott these things, too...
Crystal Meth
NASCAR Memorabilia
Fucking Your Sister
The KKK |
Novine
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Username: Novine
Post Number: 919
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 10:58 pm: | |
Ravine, when Shelby starts weaning the foreign automakers off the teat of the taxpayers and the hundreds of millions in subsidies floated their way, then you can come and lecture us about how OUR tax dollars are being spent. That's right, OUR tax dollars which go to Washington DC and then get funneled off to the south. |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 2880
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:22 pm: | |
Novine, I'm not interested in lecturing anyone on how their tax dollars are spent.
If you don't like the way your tax dollars are spent, you should get on the asses of your elected representatives. Hopefully, they will defend, with zeal and vigor, your interests, and will not relent just because the interests & feelings of folks who did NOT elect them, and who they do NOT represent, are imperiled.
Your last sentence is merely a north-south reversal of the very same thought being drawled by Shelby.
And, don't anyone bother me with the speech about how "not just Michigan, but the whole COUNTRY'S economy is at risk, here." If that is truly the case, then maybe it is time for the federal government to run the auto companies. Are we really willing to allow the national economy to depend on the judgment and financial canniness of the automotive CEO's and the unions?
Fuck THAT. |
Mashugruskie
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Username: Mashugruskie
Post Number: 356
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 11:29 pm: | |
Yes, let's let Wall Street decide everything. They have all the money, after all. |
Cookin64
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Username: Cookin64
Post Number: 6
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:07 am: | |
U also forgot U S Pipe the sewer pipe folks and good ole U S Steel in fairfield ala!!! |
Novine
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Username: Novine
Post Number: 928
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:15 am: | |
"Your last sentence is merely a north-south reversal of the very same thought being drawled by Shelby."
No, the difference is that tax dollars from states like Michigan have been flowing out of Washington DC to states like Alabama where two-faced hypocrites like Shelby dole it out to foreign automakers while lecturing those of us in Michigan. Sounds like you or Shelby have never had a problem sucking down federal tax dollars as long as they went in your pocket, even though it was places like Michigan, not Alabama, contributing to that largess. |
Flanders_field
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Username: Flanders_field
Post Number: 1368
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:28 am: | |
Good. 14 billion saved, 1.4 trillion lost.
Hey, at least we salvaged something.
MadisonConservative on December 11, 2008 at 11:18 PM
On December 11th, 2008 at 11:01 pm, Paul Revere said:
Arlen Specter…”Aye”
DeMint… “No”
Harkin… “Aye”
Bond… “No”
How can some people actually root for thousands, if not millions of their fellow middle-class Americans to potentially lose their jobs, counting down the minutes and the cloture votes?
That is just sick, IMO.
(Message edited by Flanders_field on December 12, 2008) |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4992
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:41 am: | |
Bond changed his vote after that and Harry Reid changed his vote to No as the last vote for procedural reasons (it would allow him as Majority Leader to reopen voting).
Here's the roll call vote:
http://senate.gov/legislative/ LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_ vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&sess ion=2&vote=00215
edited to correct typos
(Message edited by lilpup on December 12, 2008) |
Otter
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Username: Otter
Post Number: 453
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:54 am: | |
Perhaps all the bitter types can move to Alabama and vote against Senator Shelby the next time he's up fro re-election, eh? |
English
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Username: English
Post Number: 398
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:58 am: | |
Are you freaking KIDDING me?
Harry Reid VOTED against us????
The new Congress needs a new Senate Majority Leader. NOW. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3870
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 12:59 am: | |
English, read the parenthesis. |
English
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Username: English
Post Number: 400
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 1:03 am: | |
Oh, okay. You're right.
(I'm really, really upset over this tonight. Don't know if I'll be sleeping.)
I still want to get rid of Reid, though. He and Pelosi are on my list for being completely inept in general, long before the bailout was even an issue. |
Glowblue
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Username: Glowblue
Post Number: 50
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 1:05 am: | |
Reid is a lousy Majority Leader, though. He ought to have made the Republicans go through with their filibuster threat. Then, tomorrow, everyone can see the GOPhers doing their obstruction bit while the stock market crashes. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3871
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 1:11 am: | |
Exactly, Glowblue. He could have made them filibuster, and didn't.
And, yes, English, Reid still needs to go. In fact, he should have never been...as Majority leader, that is. |
D_mcc
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Username: D_mcc
Post Number: 1678
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 1:29 am: | |
C_b...
Some in the south might see your call for the cessation of sister-fucking as a violation of their rights |
Leannam1989
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Username: Leannam1989
Post Number: 131
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 1:54 am: | |
I don't think it's just Alabama. A lot of Senators are opposing the bailout. |
Rhymeswithrawk
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Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 2:00 am: | |
"Everybody should boycott vacations to Alabama and if they can,"
Gotta ask: Who on Earth would ever want to go on a vacation to Alabama? I'd rather go to Saskatchewan. Hell, I'd rather go to Antarctica. |
Leannam1989
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Username: Leannam1989
Post Number: 134
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 2:29 am: | |
Probably because Alabama is warm and sunny. We've been there before, and it's pretty nice. Though I haven't been there in a few years. I wouldn't want to live there with the threat of a Hurricane every year. |
Sumas
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Username: Sumas
Post Number: 414
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:02 am: | |
To put this on a human level, it's 2:30AM. Our newspaper is delivered at 3:00am. I have to go out and dispose of it. If my 88 year mother sees it she will cry in fear all day. She receives a pension from Chrysler. She remembers very well the Great Depression. |
Downtown_lady
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Username: Downtown_lady
Post Number: 457
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:04 am: | |
Joe Biden and John Kerry did not vote. WTF?
http://www.freep.com/article/2 0081211/BUSINESS01/81212001 |
Mayor_sekou
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Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 2610
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:36 am: | |
Harry Reid voted no. |
Alan55
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Username: Alan55
Post Number: 2454
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:47 am: | |
Sumas, I think you nailed the crux of the matter with your poignant comment about your mother.
Everyone is thinking of the financial aspect of the potential automotive failures, but not the personal and societal. Beyond the economics, how many divorces, cases of spousal abuse, depression, alcoholism, fights, and suicide are going to be caused because the affected people are at their wit's end and can't cope with the financial, and emotional, stress? I would imagine that the numbers of incidences for the above-listed problems have already spiked for October and November, at least in Michigan. Watch them skyrocket even higher if no solution is found.
Compassionate conservatives? Yeah, right. |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 5000
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:52 am: | |
Harry Reid's inital vote was yes but he had to change it at the end as a procedural matter that allows him as Majority Leader to reopen voting. |
Reddog289
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Username: Reddog289
Post Number: 767
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 3:52 am: | |
Bunning from KY VOTED NO. Must not have liked living in Detroit while playing for the Tigers. |
Lmichigan
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Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 3877
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 4:25 am: | |
BTW, here are the other three Dems that did vote against the cloture measure, outside of Reid who apparently did it for procederal reasons:
Baucus (D-MT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Tester (D-MT)
Please, when you get the time in the day, today, make sure you call their Washington offices and voice your opinion:
Max Baucus: (202) 224-2651
Blanche Lincoln: (202) 224-4843
Jon Tester: (202) 224-2644
Oh, and yeah, please don't forget about Kerry and Biden for not even voting (Kennedy also didn't vote, but can be forgiven for obvious reasons) |
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