Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4431 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:03 pm: | |
definitely a problem and hopefully not a growing one interestingly, there's no indication of who the perps might be http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/16461498/detail.html |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2394 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:06 pm: | |
Interestingly, if memory serves, the reporter who originally wrote up that sensationalist story in Central Park misquoted the kids. There was no such thing as "wilding." The kids only mentioned people doing the "wild thing." The reporter basically invented the story. This is a common occurrence in media when white reporters "interview" minorities about crime. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4432 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:18 pm: | |
It was the NY Chief of Detectives who stated those brought in for questioning used the term when questioned by investigators. Some journalists claim the police misunderstood what was described to them. Either way, the origin of the term doesn't change the behavior now associated with it. |
Rocknrollscientist Member Username: Rocknrollscientist
Post Number: 141 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:22 pm: | |
This all sounds vaguely familiar...wasn't it a storyline on an episode of "CSI"? |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2396 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:26 pm: | |
Um, the term sold papers, but we may choose to not use it, as it's racially charged. Notice how when white kids go on a tear, it's not called wilding. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4433 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:29 pm: | |
I don't see how it's considered racially charged. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2397 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:34 pm: | |
Because it's only used to describe the black people. In my view, journalists have an undue love for these kinds of stories of marauding blacks senselessly attacking white people. They may not happen very frequently (most of the time, when you're attacked you know your attacker), but they grab headlines. You can even trace "wilding" type stories back to tales of "Thursday Night Bumping" back in the 1940s, when black shoppers would allegedly engage in campaigns to bump into and intimidate whites. It proved baseless, based on misunderstandings, much like the "wilding" phenomenon. |
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav
Post Number: 578 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:47 pm: | |
This is ABSOLUTELY nothing new to Detroit, Metropolitan Detroit...or any large city, nationwide. Never get too comfortable with your surroundings. If folks try to block the path of your vehicle - run them over. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4434 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:48 pm: | |
"In my view, journalists have an undue love for these kinds of stories of marauding blacks senselessly attacking white people." So you're assuming it was a black crowd? (Message edited by lilpup on June 02, 2008) |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2398 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:51 pm: | |
Journalists are discouraged from mentioning race unless it's pertinent to the story. When they do mention race, an effort to mention the races of all subjects in the story is made. But they still get to sneak in some clues, in this case: "two dozen men wearing ball caps and baggy shorts spread out across the street and blocked traffic." Hmmmm. Let me turn that over in my head for a nanosecond... |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4435 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:54 pm: | |
on North River Road - turn that over, too |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2399 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 5:56 pm: | |
Are you assuming it was a white crowd? |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 4849 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:01 pm: | |
I don't agree that that is a clue. Baggy shorts? C'mon, you can see baggy shorts at a country club. And don't we all have baseball caps? I don't think there's anything wrong with printing/reporting on the actual race of the perps, if it accompanies a detailed description (i.e. height/weight etc.) in an attempt to find people on the loose. I don't know anything about N. River Rd. but when I think about Warren I think white people first. What kind of street is so devoid of traffic, pedestrians, and residents such that two dozen men can so conspicuously rob someone? How does that happen at anytime other than the early AM hours? As to the crime itself, it's so stupid and senseless. Seems like their could be more efficient ways to rob someone, too. Like I said, two dozen men is awfully conspicuous (though invincible). |
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav
Post Number: 579 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:02 pm: | |
Detroitnerd....having been a victim of racially motivated physical attacks, I would not call these episodes baseless. What empirical evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 2266 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:04 pm: | |
Who cares what color these "semi-humans" are, it's all an idiotic situation. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2400 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:04 pm: | |
Mack: That's part of the problem. They don't want to mention race, so they drop details that invite assumptions. As for North River Road, that's gotta be wrong. Doesn't even run through Warren, does it? Chuck: Didn't say "baseless"; I said "senseless." |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 4850 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:07 pm: | |
Yeah, baggy shorts and baseball caps had nothing to do with the event, and are irrelevant. If I was that writers' editor I would have deleted that as soon as I saw it. But it is Channel 4 and what would you except from local tv news other than that stupidity. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4436 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:09 pm: | |
couldn't tell - that's what struck me about the article - there's no indicator of who the perps where - younger? older? gang related? black mob? white mob? mixed? |
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit
Post Number: 1775 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:12 pm: | |
"Kauffman tried to drive past them and someone threw a brick in his window. Kauffman stopped his car and got out to see what happened." He didn't deserve it, but then again he didn't show common sense. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4437 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:12 pm: | |
"As for North River Road, that's gotta be wrong. Doesn't even run through Warren, does it?" As far as I know there is no North River Road in Warren. My assumption was that "Warren" was the error, not "North River Road". |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 4851 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:13 pm: | |
There's a N. River Road in Mt. Clemens, from near downtown to Selfridge. From the looks of the map I'm looking at, parts of it are quite devoid of homes and businesses. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2401 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:14 pm: | |
Yeah, mentioning race is a red-flag in the business, and it's a indicative of lots of problems we have in the United States with race. Is it something it's impolitic to mention, even in a description that could lead to an arrest? Or is there some way to actually talk race without freighting the conversation with latent prejudices? But, personally, when cops use these descriptors (baggy shorts, baseball caps), I'd say there's a heavy implication that the suspects were black. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4438 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:15 pm: | |
Correct, Mackinaw. It runs east from Gratiot along the southern boundary of Selfridge, not quite all the way to Jefferson. There's no way I associate ball caps and baggy shorts with blacks only. There are a lot of white, suburban punks who dress that way. (Message edited by lilpup on June 02, 2008) |
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav
Post Number: 580 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:18 pm: | |
Detroitnerd...I am referring to the comment you made about "bump clubs"; noted author Thomas Segrue noted their 1940s existence as well. Unfortunately, what goes around comes around; white-on-black violence all-too-often followed by episodes of black-on-white violence. At some point, ALL of us need to agree that enough-is-enough....take a stand and crush those who take pleasure in the misfortune of others. That's all. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2402 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:19 pm: | |
White kids in Royal Oak notwithstanding, if it's somebody in aviators talking, I'm gonna go with black. I guess we're out of luck: All fired up to debate, but not enough information. Anybody want to give Hackel a call? That's his number. :P |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2403 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:23 pm: | |
Chuck: That's funny. Because John Gunther said that by the 1950s the "bumping" phenomenon had already been debunked as a white myth. |
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav
Post Number: 581 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:28 pm: | |
Detroitnerd....We'll have to put Gunther and Segrue on stage (if both are still alive)...let them debate the issue. It would certainly be more entertaining than what Clinton and Obama spewed forth. |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2405 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:31 pm: | |
Haha. Gunther's long dead, and I think Sugrue's a better scholar anyway. Too bad, sometimes the findings make you sad. That's the way it goes. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 5481 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:41 pm: | |
Suspects sought in 'savage' beating of motorist in Mount Clemens |
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 2406 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Monday, June 02, 2008 - 6:47 pm: | |
Why do they mention the race of the victims and not the suspects? Isn't that odd? You'd qualify both or neither, not just one. Seems like crappy editing to me. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 3170 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 11:17 am: | |
quote:I guess we're out of luck: All fired up to debate, but not enough information. Zing! Good one... I'll take the discussion one step further: when descriptors are mentioned at all, it's usually to identify a member of some sub-category -- and not the dominant sub-category. |
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 4443 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 12:19 pm: | |
http://macombdaily.com/stories /060308/loc_local02.shtml |