  Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3079 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hey, it was easy. I just went to the 1930 U.S. Census report and here he is!  Jimmy was 17 at the time and living with his widowed mother, Viola, and two siblings at 4727 Toledo, in southwest Detroit. I took a look at Google maps, and it would appear the house is still there. Anyway, Viola was paying fifty bucks a month to rent the house. The "R" to the right of the 50 shows there is a radio in the house (remember, this is 1930). Further off to the right, which I had to crop out, it shows Jimmy is a stock boy in a Department store. Hey, anyone close by 4727 Toledo Street who can get a picture? | ||
Funaho Member Username: Funaho Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2007 |
That's not too far from me; I might be able to swing by there in a few days. However from looking at Google sat view it's hard to tell if it's really still there; the marker shows up in the middle of the street, and one side is a commercial building now, so if it's not on the other side of the street then it's probably gone. Anyone happen to know if odd addresses are the north or south side of Toledo? | ||
Funaho Member Username: Funaho Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2007 |
After rereading your post now I'm curious where he worked; I wonder if used to work at the Kresge's on Vernor that was there even when I was a kid in the 70s. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1102 Registered: 01-2006 |
Based on his chosen career I would guess he was upset by the working conditions as a stock boy. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 1103 Registered: 01-2006 |
Based on his chosen career I would guess he was upset by the working conditions as a stock boy. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 1152 Registered: 08-2007 |
I thought he got his start at Kroger's. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J immy_Hoffa quote: | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3080 Registered: 01-2005 |
That wikipedia entry pretty much follows the script of the movie "Hoffa". Guess the movie was rather accurate. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6475 Registered: 10-2003 |
Leave it to Ray to find Jimmy Hoffa. | ||
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn Post Number: 436 Registered: 04-2005 |
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Club_boss Member Username: Club_boss Post Number: 413 Registered: 12-2006 |
I have a copy of the 1930 census as well, both sides of my family lived in Detroit on that day in 1930 when the census taker came knocking on their doors; granted my dad was only 3 years old but I find the document fascinating. There are 32 columns (questions) for each person. I think its very interesting, as the questions asked are very informative. I had to look at my copy of the census, we are talking about column 7, there is only one person on the whole page that has an "R" I had no idea that was even a question on the census until reading this. | ||
Jcole Member Username: Jcole Post Number: 438 Registered: 04-2005 |
"That wikipedia entry pretty much follows the script of the movie "Hoffa". Guess the movie was rather accurate" Either that, or the Wikipedia poster saw the movie first. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3083 Registered: 01-2005 |
Club_boss, I even found my 5xgreat grandfather on the 1790 census, the first one taken. Not much information on those reports from 1790 to 1840, though. They get more informative each decade since, though. The 1940 census is due for release in 2012. That'll be the first one I can look at that I am on. | ||
Karenk Member Username: Karenk Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2006 |
Ray1939, are you into genealogy? Not many people know or care when the 1940 census comes out. I, for one, can't wait! | ||
Karenk Member Username: Karenk Post Number: 66 Registered: 07-2006 |
p.s. Ray1936 - we always thought that Jimmy was cremated at Bagnasco's. That was always the rumor in my circle, which included Zerillis & Cammaratas...we were in our very early 20's what did we know...hummmm? | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1508 Registered: 12-2003 |
So that arrow is pointing to the big apartment building? | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 1416 Registered: 11-2007 |
Pffft - a little off thread, but I've always admired your username! | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6442 Registered: 11-2003 |
Incinerated in Hamtramck offa a Westside garbage hauler. | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1509 Registered: 12-2003 |
Back atcha Bigb ... My other question, to Ray: are all the 1930 census sites online, pay only? | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3088 Registered: 01-2005 |
Pfft, there are two sources to obtain the census images, but both are pay sites. Ancestry.com and Heritage.com. However, many libraries have accounts with either or both, so I'd check there first. I don't know about the Detroit Public Library....can anyone check that out? KarenK, yes, the genealogy bug bit me ten years ago. Addictive, isn't it?  Personally, I liked the rumor that Jimmy was under the goal posts in Noo Joisey. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3089 Registered: 01-2005 |
I should add that most libraries also have the microfilm rolls of the census reports, but as anyone who has looked through rolls and rolls of microfilm, it's tedius and time-eating. Much easier on an indexed computer site! | ||
Soomka1 Member Username: Soomka1 Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2007 |
Jjaba heard the same story I did about Hoffa's "disposal". There was a particular waste disposal company that was taken over under strange circumstances in the late 60's early 70's by a certain family in our neighborhood. We have heard from a few different people that they put the incinerator to good use. | ||
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass Post Number: 660 Registered: 01-2007 |
My aunt said they were rebuilding the S'fld fwy that night. She thinks he's under I-96 and M-39. I lived a mile N. of the Fox restaurant where he was abducted in '75. Hoffa was a stockboy at Kroger's. Jimmy "Clean Hands" was a portrayal of him in "Once Upon a Time in America". | ||
Mikem Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 3628 Registered: 10-2003 |
My 1940 directory has him living at 16154 Robson. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6447 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jrvass, your story makes sense since some believe he was "processed" through a Westside house. What did the FBI find on that Milford farm? Now there's a boondoggle... (fill in the blanks.) jjaba. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 2306 Registered: 11-2003 |
I have the retainer letter dated 21 January 1964, signed by James R. Hoffa , then President of the Teamsters Union and Harry Burke,local Chattanooga attorney who defended Hoffa ( along with Berke's son) on the Jury tampering case in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The first trial resulted in a hung jury and on retrial, a conviction. The retainer was for $75,000. My Sr. partner, James Haggerty was Hoffa's Detroit atty and he signed the retainer as "approved". The document is typed on Teamsters stationery. Mr. Haggerty arranged for the Burkes' representation. Another witness is the late Bill Bufalino,GP atty, listed as "Special Counsel". Hoffa served about 5 years and was pardoned by President Nixon in 1971. Bobby Kennedy was Attorney General at the time, and was out to get Hoffa at all costs, and he did. When I joined the law firm, I was told to be real careful when I filed my income tax return, because the firm was under suspicion during this litigation and the appeal that followed. More than once on returning to Detroit from Chattanooga, Mr. Haggerty's luggage was suspiciously "misplaced" for a day or so. When returned,it was apparent that his suitcase had been searched. Different/interesting times back then. Kennedy would have fit quite well in the KGB. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 4793 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Anyone happen to know if odd addresses are the north or south side of Toledo?" Odd number addresses are on the westside are on the south sides of the streets; on the eastside they are norths sides. [Old Sears truck driver memory.] Chris_rohn's pic bears that out. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12615 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: No, J.Edgar Hoover's FBI would have been the KGB equivalent...and you gotta wonder what history there was between the Kennedy's father and the Detroit folks connected to certain Italian families. He had that grudge since his BROTHER was president. The mafia has always been one of the players in the huge power struggle in this country...implicated in most all of the assassinations in the 60s. The Kennedy's danced with them, too. Often. Nah, your analogy of Bobby being the KGB is just too simple, Rock. Almost apologetic for those quieter others in the game. Cheers! | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 537 Registered: 06-2007 |
Rock...are you Neil Rockind? | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6453 Registered: 11-2003 |
So you gotta guy name Kid_dynamite asking for The Rock's identity. So what does Kid know about Jimmie Hoffa's disappearance? Put the focus on Jimmie, ok. Rock ain't talkin'. jjaba, wiseguy. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 2310 Registered: 11-2003 |
I have never met Mr. Rockind, although he probably has a guilt complex as he appears to be the only criminal lawyer in town who has not been retained by Kwame. Or have I missed something? And jjaba, old sock, the Winsome is due to hit the waves on May 15. However, with marine fuel about $5.75 a gallon, the_ rock might be spending more n time on the Forum and less time at the helm. I look forward to a visit from you and a ride on the high seas. I would not have the gall to ask you to bring your Shell credit card along, although I do issue a friendly reminder that most of the local marinas take cash. We should bring Gannon along as his post would indicate an intimate knowledge of some of my GP neighbors down in the Park and we might be able to tie in at some of those private slips down there if the weather gets a little iffy. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6460 Registered: 11-2003 |
Check it out, jjaba gets a lefthanded invite to ride on the Winsome on the Jimmie Hoffa thread, and is asked by a Grosse Pointe guy without socks to bring gas money. Let's go over this again. jjaba, average guy on the Westside. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3102 Registered: 01-2005 |
Sounds like a boatjacking to me, Jjaba. Beware. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6465 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ray1936, precisely. Let's don't take this great thread about Jimmie Hoffa and turn it into something about pleasure boating with Grosse Pointers who don't wear socks. jjaba. (And Ray1936 knows, "let's don't" is perfect Westsider English.) | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 3104 Registered: 01-2005 |
"Let's don't" is not only perfect English, it's a severe declarative sentence. Translated, it means something like "Beware, there is extreme danger associated with your idea.....". Never cared much for boats anyway, other than a rowboat to carry me to where the bass are lurking. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 2313 Registered: 11-2003 |
Sorry, jjaba. I just got my Mobil Oil dividend check. So leave your Shell credit card at home. Let's don't worry about fuel. Let's don't worry about where Jimmy is buried. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6466 Registered: 11-2003 |
Holy Toledo! Can't somebody post a photo of one of those Hoffa residences? We know The Rock has a camera. jjaba would post one if he knew how. jjaba, taking the bus so The Rock and his neighbors don't squeeze me even more. | ||
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289 Post Number: 270 Registered: 08-2007 |
i think he,s under my garage which could use a new floor anyway, my uncle took us to the spot in central mich where hoffa was "taken care of", my dad said "hell no" too far, Dad was into law enforcement, later i hear check under the Ren Cen. thats from a former Teamster. being in kindergarten when that happened i,ll have my whole life thinking about it. | ||
Reddog289 Member Username: Reddog289 Post Number: 271 Registered: 08-2007 |
i think he,s under my garage which could use a new floor anyway, my uncle took us to the spot in central mich where hoffa was "taken care of", my dad said "hell no" too far, Dad was into law enforcement, later i hear check under the Ren Cen. thats from a former Teamster. being in kindergarden when that happened i,ll have my whole life thinking about it. |
