  Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3023 Registered: 04-2006 |
Although, this is not explicitly a Detroit issue, it's worth discussing here in light of the perception that Detroit is such a dangerous place compared to Chicago and other cities. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/sto ry?section=news/local&id=60918 49 | ||
Pdombr Member Username: Pdombr Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2007 |
I agree Iheartthed, Detroit gets such a bad rap from the media. Crime and violence are not just things that happen in the D. It is everywhere. It is just not publicized. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 760 Registered: 11-2003 |
I think it's going to be a hot summer in urban areas as the economic situation continues to sour or be bad. There is a lot of folks "on the edge" that the downturn is going to knock off that edge, and when folks have no job or hope, violence goes up. | ||
French777 Member Username: French777 Post Number: 418 Registered: 10-2006 |
Second that! OMG that is so unlike Chicago! "Its not even summer!" | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1980 Registered: 09-2007 |
Well at least they're trying to eliminate this problem, unlike Detroit (read the last 4 paragraphs). | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 5014 Registered: 03-2006 |
So Detroit is hunky dory because there is also violence in Chicago? OK, sure. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 603 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote:Where did anyone say that? | ||
Macknwarren Member Username: Macknwarren Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2007 |
Pdombr: Do you really think it is the media that is responsible for the perception that Detroit has a crime problem? Or might Detroit really have a crime problem? Statistically, Detroit has one of the nation's worst crime problems, and has had a crime problem for about 40 years. When you think about it, you can accuse the media of not doing a good job of covering Detroit's crime problem. There were about 400 people killed in Detroit last year and another 1,500 shot. How many of those incidents made the news? Relatively very few. The Free Press and News haven't even had fulltime Detroit police reporters for a year or more. What are two of the most publicized crimes in the metro area in the past 16 months (besides the accusations against Kilpatrick)? The two beheadings in the suburbs. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 5928 Registered: 10-2004 |
A few extra murders over the weekend in Chicago or the so-called current lack of water in Atlanta won't cause even one additional job to be created in Detroit over that same time interval. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 4768 Registered: 10-2003 |
Full Moon. | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 230 Registered: 12-2003 |
bad news does not make good news | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 4111 Registered: 06-2004 |
Chicago has spurts like this that don't get mentioned beyond their local press. A year or two ago, IIRC, it was eight murders within a 24 hour period. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 2284 Registered: 09-2006 |
How many got shot here I wonder? | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1983 Registered: 09-2007 |
31 people shot in Chicago is more like 10 people shot in Detroit. | ||
Pdombr Member Username: Pdombr Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2007 |
Mack, I think the media only reports the bad that happens in Detroit. I do not blame them for a lack of police, decline in jobs, anger issues, drugs or any of the other reasons people shot, rob, rape, ect. The fault does not lay with the media, we as a society have to learn ways of handling confrontation better. Sure there are days that I would love to reach out and touch someone with the back of my hand, but it will only escalate the situation. | ||
Pdombr Member Username: Pdombr Post Number: 36 Registered: 03-2007 |
And the moon is full. | ||
Macknwarren Member Username: Macknwarren Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2007 |
Pdombr: I respect your opinion, but I'm going to read the two papers closely this week, and maybe even watch some TV news. I want to count the good things (if any) they report on Detroit. I'll report back to you next Sunday. Deal? I've got my own problems with the local media, but I think they get a bad rap on how much "positive" news they disseminate. | ||
Django Member Username: Django Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2003 |
The media reports the news, violence sells, but their not responsible for what happens here in the D. Yes I wish I could see more "Good News" on 2, 4 or 7, but the fact is they all want top ratings and ppl tend to watch the channels that disturb us most. Sponsors follow the ratings. Did you hear, Art Van is having a sale. | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12501 Registered: 12-2003 |
Watch as Chicago becomes the poster-city for how NOT to quell urban violence. Their police will over-react...and always remember they've got one of the stiffest gun-control laws in the country. (so they will simultaneously prove that those do not work against what they are supposedly designed to control, but a whole bunch of law-followers will be defenseless) When the police over-react, and the true underlying problem is NOT rectified...the pressure on those prone to violence will greatly increase. That Air Force general just might have his crowds to test his EM weapon upon soon. Where is our Martin Luther King or Gandhi in this age?! We're going to need a true leader in every one of these areas lest they ignite again. (and don't tell me Chicago didn't heat up with all of the other major metro areas in the sixties, the boiling point was diffused by the hope and horror of the Democratic convention held there in 1968...causing the oppressed citizenry's anger to simmer over decades making it one of the 'hottest' segregated towns in the nation today) | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7301 Registered: 02-2004 |
It's gang related! Turf, Drugs, Guns, it's the regular Chicago norm since the Old Capone days. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3024 Registered: 04-2006 |
(so they will simultaneously prove that those do not work against what they are supposedly designed to control, but a whole bunch of law-followers will be defenseless) I like NYC's method of suing these gun shop owners in states with lax laws... | ||
Gannon Member Username: Gannon Post Number: 12509 Registered: 12-2003 |
Another lame idea who's time has gone. | ||
Ggores Member Username: Ggores Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2007 |
i've been more scared in chicago than in the D. honest injun. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3025 Registered: 04-2006 |
Actually, it appears that Macomb County is also in the practice of going after the sellers. Seller of Murder Weapon Is Charged in Officer's Death I think it's a great idea. Stop a leaky faucet at the source. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6231 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Hot damn, Scotland Yard's got NOTHING on these boys. | ||
Club_boss Member Username: Club_boss Post Number: 393 Registered: 12-2006 |
Some of it is gang related, however I believe 13 of the victims (and I use that term loosely) were students, who were out past curfew. Skip the outcry...any ideas or clues where the parents are? | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 1119 Registered: 06-2004 |
Is there really a big gang problem in Detroit. It doesn't seem as bad as Chicago? I once did some volunteer work with members of the Gangster Disciples in Chicago. What amazed me was the banality of it all. They seemed like just ordinary kids, albeit poor. Every kid they knew was in the gang. It was like the boy scouts. I would never have even thought these guys were "gang bangers." | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 2292 Registered: 09-2006 |
Outside of the southwest side there isn't much gang activity in the city. Its not a black folk thing for the most part, crews yeah, but outright gangs is more a hispanic thing. | ||
Dbc Member Username: Dbc Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2006 |
Gannon, thanks for the NRA talking points. Of course gun control laws in Chicago and DC cannot stop crime if you can get the gun in another jurisdiction and drive/ship it over! Also, what's wrong with going after unscrupulous gun dealers? Straw purchases and purchasing guns for a felon are illegal. NYC has video evidence of these laws being broken, so why shouldn't these dirtbags face prosecution? | ||
Hamtragedy Member Username: Hamtragedy Post Number: 137 Registered: 10-2007 |
I just worked on a project in Chicago for three weeks. There have been 20 shootings in Chicago High Schools this year, as of April 4. Daly makes sure no one else knows. They have a police force of 13,000, most of whom are busy writing tickets for not having residential parking permits (assholes). | ||
Philbert Member Username: Philbert Post Number: 354 Registered: 10-2003 |
Know one knows? Its in the headline news everyday here, day after day. Well when half of metro detroit goes to chicago every weekend for their drunkfest and harassment, parking is scarce enough as it is. Walk down any side streets and look at all the Michigan plates. The parts of Chicago visitors frequent are very compact and packed and parking is scarce. Parking is for the residents of their neighborhoods first. Don't like it don't come here. It really is as simple as that. But alas each weekend the migration from Michigan continues. I don't understand, I witness multiple bad attitudes from our visitors and all I hear is you people bitch about Chicago and YET you still come here in droves, like an invasion. Everyone goes on about NY's get the small offense and quality of life issues but make sure its not my small offense. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 4132 Registered: 06-2004 |
Chicago violence continues | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 1804 Registered: 02-2006 |
quote: Well, sort of. But don't tell that to the Vice Lords, the Black Gangster Disciples, P. Stones, and of course, the Bloods and Crips. And speaking of racial turmoil in Chicago, you don't hear much about it, but large areas of the West Side burned to the ground in race riots in the 60s. This is where Boss Daley's proclamation of "shoot to kill [arsonists]" ... and "shoot to maim [looters]" came from. For the most part, the Lawndale neighborhood has never recovered. | ||
Ladyinabag Member Username: Ladyinabag Post Number: 581 Registered: 03-2007 |
Chicago is bigger that Detroit. You want homicide? Try the L.A. Times "murder" site Unbelievable. |
