 
Amgasper01
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Username: Amgasper01
Post Number: 16
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 3:42 pm: |    |
Walking back home from the Baltimore last night we walked down Broadway and there were at least 8 cop cars with their lights on and the entire club crowd was spilled into the street. Was anyone there last night or at least know what happened? It was the largest police presence I've ever seen on Broadway after the clubs let out since I've lived here. |
Viziondetroit
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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1633
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 4:13 pm: | |
I was the photographer there last night. They always have a presence between Gratiot and Grand River. It may have been beefed up as I heard there was a shooting there a couple weeks ago.
As for last night, nothing happened, there was just a large event that let out at 2AM. I did notice a few more cars than normal, but it's like that off and on at that location. |
Bragaboutme
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Username: Bragaboutme
Post Number: 180
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 6:30 pm: | |
I was there too, and saw nothing a couple of locals performed and everybody went there way after 2.
Vizion is right there's always a police presents because of the three clubs that are down there. |
Detroitmaybe
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Username: Detroitmaybe
Post Number: 82
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 7:02 pm: | |
They need to close that club because it is really becoming dangerous and a magnet for criminal activity! A buddy of mine owns the boutique, Rags, thats on the corner..and he was telling me someone had gotten shot there a couple weeks back. In fact, if you walk past there u can probably still see the blood on the streets.
My guess is..there was a shootout!! |
Django
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Username: Django
Post Number: 165
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 7:21 pm: | |
If you shut down every business in Detroit that had a shooting in front of it, There wouldnt be any place to go, no grocery, McDonalds, ect. LOL |
Digitalvision
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Username: Digitalvision
Post Number: 759
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 7:37 pm: | |
But certain establishments are a whole lot more liable to attract unwanted behavior (i.e. shootings).
Those need to go - I'm no fan of the club scene, especially when it comes to redevelopment. I personally think most clubs and the like actually keep retail and true solid residential development away.
Now get off my lawn! (making fun of myself, realizing that I sound old and un-cool with my anti-gang-bangin' club post). |
Viziondetroit
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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1634
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 9:24 pm: | |
.... al a lack of zoning and/or enforcement. |
English
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Username: English
Post Number: 718
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:01 am: | |
Well, there are clubs and there are clubs.
Not everything has to be a dance club. I think that jazz clubs, comedy clubs, and other kinds of establishments give life to a CBD.
Downtown areas that don't have the worries about the crime certainly have to worry about noise -- the NIMBY Ann Arborites who live near certain Main Street establishments are a case in point. I do remember when I lived on WSU's campus, in Midtown, that the Whitney hosted a summer series for one of the rock stations. I am not into rock; said summer series was an annoyance to say the least. |
Dtales
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Username: Dtales
Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 11:27 pm: | |
Have you ever heard of Club Intus? No, you wouldn't, unless you were a Lafayette Towers resident and drove by it everyday. But just a couple of months ago I was coming home around 2:00AM and there were 6 cop cars outside with lights flashing and a crowd of some hundred or so people standing outside.
Probably just a fight that got out of control and not a shooting, but guys...as much as we do love our city, this is DETROIT. There will be shootings. We can sugar coat everything to make it seem all squeaky clean, but like every major city, there WILL be shootings.
Yes, the club crowd can get a little rough, but don't blame the clubs for it. Our clubs, like Envy, Confidential, Plan B, Elysium, Esko, Evolution, etc. do good business, and they were the guys here when there was NO ONE ELSE venturing to open a business downtown. They do bring money to the city, as well as some much-needed and -desired nightlife (something Detroit has been railed on in national media for a perceived lack of).
Besides, if by "undesirable crowds" you mean young black people, I give you: drunk white sports fan. Talk to any bar owner downtown and they will all say the same thing: they have more problems with drunk white sports fans causing fights and being destructive than anything/one else. So what's a good solution for that, shut down the stadiums? Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it, with all the money those places bring in, as well as the added business? Same goes for the clubs. You gotta take the good with the bad. |
Matt
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Username: Matt
Post Number: 1258
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:18 am: | |
Wow, Dtales, are you calling someone out as a racist? You can't play that card until you have at least 100 posts. You have a lot to learn around here. |
Alley
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Username: Alley
Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:54 am: | |
yep, it's not really fair to assume someone means 'young black people' when they say "undesirable crowds". Seems like someone calling that play might be tied down with negative preconceived notions about how others feel or what they mean... |
Gambling_man
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Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 1075
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 11:37 am: | |
That club is getting dangerous....HAH! I live on Broadway, and ALL of the clubs in that neighborhood have gotten very dangerous. Up until a few months ago, I thought people who heard gunshots were hearing something else. It is a regular happening on Broadway these days. The situation has spun completely out of control, with cruisers, gangstas, booming radios, and gunshots. I'm not one to be fearful, but this situation needs to be addressed....let's not forget about Lot 1210 and the Apartment, or whatever the hell that one is called. There are parties, illegal and otherwise, going on 4-5 nights per week, and with the summer, it will only get worse.... |
Rax
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Username: Rax
Post Number: 229
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 1:04 pm: | |
So what is the solution or plan of action? |
Focusonthed
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Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1789
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 8:03 pm: | |
quote:Yes, the club crowd can get a little rough, but don't blame the clubs for it.
Why not? The clubs need to do a better job of crowd control. It is not the job of the police to control behavior on private property (unless called). |
Digitalvision
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Username: Digitalvision
Post Number: 765
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 8:35 pm: | |
You want to know my line?
It's not race.
It's not age.
It's Guns.
I think when guns get involved, with any establishment, they cross the line. Don't care if they are country hicks or gangbangers. They are obviously involved and the city is obviously doing very little to curb it.
No guns (or weapons) a couple drunks get bruised most times, and that's it. No one else involved, and you gotta explain a black eye to your boss.
With weapons, one drunk ass can kill somebody in one fell swoop - or even worse, someone completely innocent. |
Mayor_sekou
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Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 2300
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 8:41 pm: | |
I typically leave right at 2 or before 2 when partying in the D. Because most likely when something's is going to go down is after the club lets out, sticking around trying to parking lot pimp can be dangerous, but fun. |
Royce
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Username: Royce
Post Number: 2613
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 10:23 pm: | |
When I was single I went to various clubs often. If the club enforced the drinking age, 21 and over, you didn't have too many problems, if any. Also, if the club enforced a dress code, then the club was able to keep out those not willing to put on a suit or at least dress dressy-casual. That usually kept out the young riff-raff who preferred the baggy pants, oversized shirts, and baseball caps.
I think the 2:00 a.m. closing contributes to some of the problem. Because the clubs close at two, many folks leaving the club end up confronting many drunken patrons, creating situations that can lead to violence: arguments, fights, or shootings. The solution to this problem might be to allow the clubs to stay open to four or five. By allowing the clubs to stay open later, you never get that same large crowd leaving at the same time. Even if the club closed at five, it wouldn't have to deal with the same number of patrons as it would if it closed at two. As the hours get later into the morning, patrons leave at different times. Only the diehard folks stay to five. As a result, there are fewer arguments, fights, and shootings.
Now, some of you would argue that keeping the clubs opened later would cause more drunken patrons to get into violent acts. I disagree. I think a later club closing would in essence dilute the number of drunken patrons. So at four or five in the morning many folks have gone home and some of the few left are too drunk or too tired to want to cause any problems. On occasions when I went to Chicago and clubbed to five in the morning there were no problems. The later club closing in Michigan is something that is long overdue.
(Message edited by royce on April 22, 2008) |
Sean_of_detroit
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Username: Sean_of_detroit
Post Number: 138
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:25 am: | |
Although I don't have the time or the desire to go to nightclubs anymore, I have looked around some of the new clubs/bars in the casinos. I feel the casinos are perfect places for upscale nightclubs. They are well policed and regulated.
Besides the casino areas, I think these places should have their own district, or be confined to certain areas. If they stuck to Woodward and Greektown, they might be okay. I also think Bleu has been doing an excellent job since it opened. The $25 entrance fee, 21 and up policy, dress code, presale only policy, and strong security presence go a long way. I disagree with staying open later. Bleu's midnight closing times often helps police and security.
I remember living off Grand Circus Park when the State, Tavern on the Park, X/S, and others all let out. Grand Circus Park was utterly a drunken circus. Many car accidents and fights. It didnt help how cheap all these places where (often $0-$10 for 18 and up). To top it off, the bouncers, DPD, and homeland security officers would all throw their own big bonfire in the United Artist/Tuller lots. It was very interesting to see a giant bonfire in the city every Saturday night.
When some of the residents complained about the noise by these people, our building security guard made complaints to the police. Not long after, someone severely assaulted that security guard. The residents (and building manager) who complained, suddenly began to have problems with police and fire response.
I had said before I have not had problems with the DPD. I totally forgot about all this. Although, I guess the bonfires never really bothered me. I didn't mind the extra activity. The appeal of twenty four hour activity was what I liked way back then.
Also, living close to these places seemed to be very desirable for many other young Grand Circus Park residents. Anyone on here move to Fyfe, Park Apartments, or Kales to be closer to the clubs, bars, festivals, and sporting events? All these events can spawn trouble. Area residents who had to live in these settings also seemed to have much more respect and area pride than the people driving down from outer Detroit and the suburbs. They also didn't contribute to most of the problems of crime. They had a place to go when events let out. Everyone else had the choice (lack of insight) of either killing time in parking lots and streets (often causing trouble), or driving drunk.
I do agree they need to be regulated better. I also find it sad and interesting that the hip hop clubs are all to often the trouble makers. It really is to bad they have to ruin it for everyone.
I'm glad those days are far behind me. They weren't nearly as fun as I thought they where at the time. However, they do attract young people to live in the city. I might not have given the city a chance if it wasn't for these concert and club venues (and the fact I worked in the city). Look at me today. I eventually matured and outgrew the club scene. I decided to stay, and am now one of Detroit's many supporters who has attracted both family and friends to the city to not just visit, but also live and work. I am also planing to continue schooling, open a business, get married, and raise a family in Detroit proper. Again though, I really agree they need to be regulated better.
One other thing to think about is that dance clubs aren't really that profitable, unless you are a major concert venue like Bleu, The State, Majestic, and Saint Andrews (or a bar/grill during the day). They are expensive both to run and maintain. They also attract crime, and are plagued by red tape and public opposition. Plus, they also typically only last no more than two or three years. Of those two or three years, they are often only open two or three days a week. Club owners typically start these ventures by mistake, or because they want the fame and social status involved. The only other reason I can think of is to maybe complement some other business. A good example would be the former Agave's patio jazz sessions on Sunday nights.
That being said, I unfortunately see Detroit to have a increase in the amount of nightclubs opened in the city. We're going to be attracting many Hollywood actors with the new incentives offered to filmmakers. I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that some of these people are going to realize that there aren't that many Hollywood level clubs here, and attempt to open their own. This did seem to happen both before and after the Super Bowl as well. The problem is that we aren't Hollywood.
PS: I think you can still see these bonfires around downtown Saturday nights and early Sunday mornings. Many have appeared to have toned it down a bit, and use those elevated fire pits. Apparently that makes them more legal?
(Message edited by Sean_of_Detroit on April 23, 2008) |
Timeless
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Username: Timeless
Post Number: 20
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:39 am: | |
Royce, clubs in Detroit can currently stay open until 4am. But alcohol can only be served until 2am, so they have no incentive to keep their establishment open any later because there is no money coming in. The exception is if a promoter pays the venue to stay open past 2 so their guests can enjoy their buzz on the dance floor. |
Mayor_sekou
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Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 2306
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 1:00 am: | |
I agree with keeping the clubs open later. At 2 when the clubs let out people are still restless, still looking to get into something. If you don't close them until 4 or 5 people are way to tired or way to drunk to walk let alone fight or they have found them someone to spend the night with. All result in a good night for all, instead of occasionally what happens here. |
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