  Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 1077 Registered: 09-2005 |
http://www.canada.com/windsors tar/story.html?id=78a2049c-4b4 9-431b-b929-f3d7f8517909&k=171 38 Quote: Boom Boom Room owner Remo Agostino said it would be a "catastrophe" for Windsor, given current economic woes and the decline in cross-border drinkers. Actually, I suspect it would be catastrophic for kiddie bar owners in Windsor. Maybe such a move would replace the kiddie bars with retail and cafes. One could hope. | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 327 Registered: 03-2006 |
Note: I was talking to a boarder guard on the US side at the tunnel one time when they pulled me over to inspect my car, and I asked them if they arrest people who pass through drunk driving from partying in Windsor. The guard said no, they had no jurisdiction for drinking and driving, all they could do is if someone was obviously smashed, they could call a cop up the road and give the description of the vehicle. That's news you can use. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 4703 Registered: 10-2003 |
Great, just what struggling Windsor needs. Maybe then could ban gambling, nudie bars and Cuban Cigars while they are at it. Sometimes I think Windsor and Detroit need to break away from their countries and form an independent city-state in view of how their respective federal governments seem to do all they can to bring them down and make passage between them impossible. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2936 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Exactly. | ||
Ongowwah Member Username: Ongowwah Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2008 |
As I see it, the age of "majority" is confused with age of "maturity". Too many young "adults" simply can't have a good time with a few drinks they have to get obliterated and be stupid. Some children have more maturity than some adults. Some even more serious drinking problems coming up even sooner with every new generation. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7260 Registered: 02-2004 |
YAY! Looks like those who want to celebrate their 19th birthday going to the bar and get crunk will have to wait until they are 21. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2969 Registered: 10-2003 |
Funny how Canada is trying to raise the drinking age while some states in the US are trying to lower it. The drinking age should be 18. http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2008-03-20-drinkingage_N .htm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20 249460/ | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 586 Registered: 12-2007 |
So...our kids are mature enough to go fight a war and kill and be killed at 18...but they can't buy a drink in their own country for another three years? | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 1195 Registered: 12-2006 |
In Europe typically the drinking age is 16, loosely enforced, and they have much less trouble with binge drinking and alcoholism than we do in North America. Our approach to all forms of substance abuse is illogical and catastrophic, not to mention expensive. Yet nobody in leadership is even willing to discuss it in any logical way. Shame. | ||
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa Post Number: 1078 Registered: 09-2005 |
With respect to Windsor and its abundance of kiddie bars, raising the age of majority to 21 in Ontario or lowering the age of majority in Michigan to 19 would essentially have the same effect. Any chance Michigan is one of those states debating lowering its drinking age? I mean, Detroit got a few casinos after Windsor's casino was so successful. Doesn't Michigan want a cut of the under-21 drinking crowd? | ||
Jams Member Username: Jams Post Number: 8175 Registered: 10-2003 |
And lose what little Federal road funding Michigan receives? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5909 Registered: 10-2003 |
Wasn't there slaughter on the highways when the drinking age was made 18 here? | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 691 Registered: 11-2006 |
The only way to make the drinking age lower and have a safe transition would be through a massive education effort, but even that wouldn't work. As for Windsor raising the age it seems like it really won't have a huge effect, people act stupid at bars period age has very little to do with it. The same thing happens when people cut loose at 21 in Michigan as happens when people cut loose at 19 in Canada, so there would be very little effect as far as I am concerned. | ||
Slider Member Username: Slider Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2007 |
Sounds like an excellent plan, because as we all know - the more you forbid people from doing something and the more restrictions you put on it, the less people will actually do it. Look at how successful the war on drugs has been. Heck, why not pursue and all out prohibition again? That was a rousing success the first go around. Honestly though, how do we expect young adults to respond by telling them they are mature enough to go to war for thier country and have a say in electing thier leaders but are not mature enough to drink alcohol? | ||
Crystal Member Username: Crystal Post Number: 150 Registered: 05-2007 |
How about graduated drinking privileges, similar to a graduated drivers license? I have never liked the idea that we go from prohibited drinking through age 20, then the day we turn 21 we are cut loose. Makes no sense to me. My younger brothers are of the age where they had turned 18 and could drink. Shortly after that, they were considered underage because the law had just raised the age to 21. | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 1196 Registered: 12-2006 |
Slider makes an excellent point. The fact is, everyone who is under 21 who wants to drink, drinks. The law means nothing to them; in fact laws like this breed overall disrespect for the law. Here's a fun game for you if you don't believe me: go and find three people who drink, who started drinking when they were 21 or older. Go ahead; I'll wait. Come back and post when you've found them. It ought to be the parents' job to raise the children, not Big Nanny. And certainly, regardless of how you feel about this in general, if I run a bar and someone comes in who's served in Iraq and wants a drink, I'm giving them a fucking drink, 21 or no 21. | ||
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto Post Number: 853 Registered: 07-2004 |
ontario is not raising the drinking age. The government has already said they would not. Plus why would we want to raise it? Having a higher drinking age just means more drunk and bad teens. The US states with higher drinking ages, have way more problems with drunk teens, etc then Ontario. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 591 Registered: 12-2007 |
Ontario isn't as bad as Quebec....18 is the age there... | ||
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey Post Number: 332 Registered: 03-2006 |
I like drunk and bad teens. | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 1113 Registered: 06-2004 |
Here's my idea... lower the drinking age to 16 adn raise the driving age to 21. | ||
Goat Member Username: Goat Post Number: 10164 Registered: 10-2003 |
Personally I think it would be great for Windsor. Our downtown core will once again be filled with retail instead of shitty bars and sidewalks full of puke and blood. Remo is just looking after his own best interest and I don't blame him but to say the sky will fall is just plain BS. | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 693 Registered: 11-2006 |
I have a hard time believing that raising the drinking age will cause Windsors bars to close and retail to magically fill downtown. | ||
Swgz31 Member Username: Swgz31 Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2006 |
Take it from someone who's 20, those bars/clubs directed towards American teens are a joke. I'd much rather drink stateside in a few bars where they don't ID, much funner. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 575 Registered: 04-2006 |
This strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. | ||
Erikto Member Username: Erikto Post Number: 674 Registered: 11-2003 |
Spacemonkey's first post in this thread really surprised me. I wonder if the same is true for Canadian border guards? Football fans returning from Rich Stadium in Buffalo have told me the Ontario Provincial Police often set up RIDE check (an anti-drunk driving blitz where every car is stopped for a chat with a cop) on the Canadian side of the highway just past the border. I would be surprised if American border guards' hands are ever really tied with respect to what they can or cannot enforce. Surely they can order an inspection, call in the car's plate number and description and wait until state police arrive on the American side, ready to grab whomever the border guards thought was drunk. Quebec's legal drinking age of 18 is selectively enforced, at least in Montreal. I was in grade 10, 15 years old, looked 12, and I remember getting served in a couple of well known bars. The police used to raid a few of the most notorious jail-bait-beer-halls like O'Blitz and Peel Pub, with paddy wagons, knowing they'd be carting off piles of underage kids. In Toronto, the age limit is more regularly enforced, and the cops seldom go in to clubs on large scale raids. At least until recently! One of my old haunts set a recent record, getting raided on two Sundays in a row. I used to deejay there, and it was a really fun place but the only parties that consistently made money were the after-rave parties that started at 6 am. So they went all-ravers, all-the-time. Not my scene... I'll bet it's the first time the police raided a club that doesn't even serve (or allow) liquor! I'd be stunned in Ontario enacted such a stupid law as raising the drinking age here. | ||
Club_boss Member Username: Club_boss Post Number: 368 Registered: 12-2006 |
"And certainly, regardless of how you feel about this in general, if I run a bar and someone comes in who's served in Iraq and wants a drink, I'm giving them a fucking drink, 21 or no 21." I could see my way clear to this line of thinking. Also if they're in uniform (or have military ID) I always gave them a discount. |
