  Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1868 Registered: 09-2007 |
Was is because of cheaper land? Really, think it would have benefited SE Michigan and especially Detroit even more if they didn't move their campus and many of the inner city neighborhoods probably wouldn't be so run down. Not to mention, the land west of DTW would have probably been more rural than it is now. (Message edited by detroitrise on March 28, 2008) | ||
Club_boss Member Username: Club_boss Post Number: 357 Registered: 12-2006 |
I thought it had to do w/ taxes | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3976 Registered: 06-2004 |
Ann Arbor lobbied hard for the state capitol when Michigan was to become a state. It lost out to Lansing and the state legislature gave it the U as a consolation prize. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 613 Registered: 12-2006 |
Wasn't the original site of UofM supposed to be Toledo until Michigan gave Toledo to Ohio in exchange for land in the UP? | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 2127 Registered: 12-2005 |
It was too difficult to feel superior in Detroit. | ||
Slider Member Username: Slider Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2007 |
Yes, it was supposed to be in Toledo. The is a plaque in the Warehouse district of Toledo where the University was to located. It is near the Mud Hens stadium. Yes, the site of Ann Arbor was chosen after the "Toledo War" where the disputed strip of land ended up in Ohio. The plaque is on Superior near Washington near the Bronze Boar bar if anyone is interested. | ||
Rustic Member Username: Rustic Post Number: 3213 Registered: 10-2003 |
so they would be closer to the stadium? | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6229 Registered: 11-2003 |
They went to Ann Arbor so The Forum could debate whether or not Ann Arbor is a Detroit suburb. jjaba, Ann Arbor ain't a suburb. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3978 Registered: 06-2004 |
I wonder if that was an argument used to try to keep the strip. It's not mentioned in any histories I've read. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 6230 Registered: 11-2003 |
They went to Ann Arbor so students could throw condoms under trees in the Arboritum, long illegal in Rouge Park in Detroit. jjaba, that's why. | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1238 Registered: 10-2003 |
White Flight of the 1800s | ||
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity Post Number: 1065 Registered: 01-2005 |
Because E. Lansing was already taken by MSU? | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3979 Registered: 06-2004 |
definitely not, unless you're counting some cowbarn as an MSU predecessor | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4083 Registered: 10-2003 |
IIRC correctly, Ann Arbor set aside 40 acres for the state capitol complex. When the capitol was awarded to Lansing, Ann Arbor gave the 40 acres (now the Diag) to the University of Michigan. There's a really great book written by a UM history professor (Steneck?) called "The History of the University of Michigan". The details can be found there. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1870 Registered: 09-2007 |
Thanks Dan. The state of Michigan injured Detroit with 2 stones (by themselves)  | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 157 Registered: 07-2007 |
It's incorrect to think having a major university in the city would improve the area around it. Just look at Columbia University and the University of Chicago. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1873 Registered: 09-2007 |
True Greatlakes, but universities at the level of U of M are huge economic boosters for the areas surrounding it. | ||
Wpitonya Member Username: Wpitonya Post Number: 68 Registered: 08-2005 |
You don't think Columbia makes a positive impact on the surrounding neighborhood?? Are you crazy? What about WSU? UofM Flint? | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 4112 Registered: 10-2003 |
Huh? In NYC near Columbia, the Upper West Side is very decent, and Harlem property values are through the roof. In Chicago, Hyde Park/Kenwood (adjacent to U of C) is one of the really interesting, pleasant areas of the South Side. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 563 Registered: 12-2007 |
^^^Or USC or Miami...or Georgia Tech...Or Boston College... | ||
Gazhekwe Member Username: Gazhekwe Post Number: 1761 Registered: 08-2007 |
That land was granted through the Treaty of Fort Meigs, 1817. Indians believe the treaty included education for Indians in perpetuity. Article 16 of the Treaty: Some of the Ottawa, Chippewa, and Potawatomy Tribes, being attached to the Catholic religion, and believing they may wish some of their children hereafter educated, do grant to the rector of the Catholic church of St. Anne of Detroit, for the use of the said church, and to the corporation of the college at Detroit, for the use of the said college, to be retained or sold, as the said rector and corporation may judge expedient, each, one half of three sections of land, to contain six hundred and forty acres, on the river Raisin, at a place called Macon; and three sections of land not yet located, which tracts were reserved, for the use of the said Indians, by the treaty of Detroit, in one thousand eight hundred and seven; and the superintendent of Indian affairs, in the territory of Michigan, is authorized, on the part of the said Indians, to select the said tracts of land. U of M Native studies discussion here: http://141.211.177.75/ac/nativ e/um/treaty/ | ||
Higgs1634 Member Username: Higgs1634 Post Number: 382 Registered: 10-2005 |
I guess a side question would be, why hasn't Wayne State been able to step into that void? IIRC, Wayne is the state's 3rd largest. Why is it only now that there is a dorm building boom? I know it has a large "commuter" student body, but I know several grads from WSU schools that would have lived down there if there were choices other than ratty apartments and antiquated student housing. | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 158 Registered: 07-2007 |
No, I'm not crazy. I can read. Detroitrise wrote, "many of the inner city neighborhoods probably wouldn't be so run down," not whether or not they "make a positive impact." Many areas around universities in even wealthy cities are not in the best shape because landlords don't take care of their buildings because they know they can get away with renting out subpar rooms to students who don't know any better. Crime is usually also higher around university campuses. So yeah, what about WSU? | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1874 Registered: 09-2007 |
Greatlakes, I'd sure rather have thousands of educated hip college kids occupying a "less stellar" neighborhood than a field of grass and rats without a person living for miles (except for your average crackhead or whino). (Message edited by detroitrise on March 28, 2008) | ||
Club_boss Member Username: Club_boss Post Number: 358 Registered: 12-2006 |
I worked at a club on Main Street (William & Liberty) for 4 years. There is no question Ann Arbor businesses love U Of M students and solely miss them, as well as their dollars, when they leave on their various breaks. They (as well as their parents) are the lifeblood of downtown Ann Arbor. | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 159 Registered: 07-2007 |
That's true, Detroitrise, as would I. The key is to still incorporate good urban planning around the campus, or you'll just have thousands of "hip college kids" who never leave the actual campus to go out into the neighborhood. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1875 Registered: 09-2007 |
Greatlakes, all of that will fall into place if the college is "highly ranked" and diverse in its studies. | ||
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313 Post Number: 630 Registered: 02-2006 |
I say we (Detroityes) take Toledo back, and reclaim of territory.... Since Ohio State took Pryor from us... <313> | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6589 Registered: 08-2004 |
Although I don't deny the competition of Ann Arbor for the statehouse, I've always read that Marshall was the major contender against Lansing for the state capital. | ||
Melocoton Member Username: Melocoton Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2008 |
University of Chicago (where I went to college) is highly ranked and diverse in its studies, but students rarely venture outside of Hyde Park into the surrounding south side--in fact, the University goes out of its way to discourage such contact between students and "the community." And for various reasons, U of C (like Columbia) has poor relations with its neighbors. Now, that doesn't mean a resident campus at Wayne wouldn't help the area, but greatlakes is right that the universities aren't simply boons for a neighborhood. They can be real adversaries, too. | ||
The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 2203 Registered: 11-2003 |
You are all wrong. The reason is simple. God called, and he happened to be in AA that day. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 441 Registered: 04-2004 |
While on the subject of U of M's history, I built a website for a project in the Stenecks' history of U of M class. The site has been broken for sometime, but parts of it still work and have some history as well as old photos of buildings. Just be sure to go to Building List to view everything http://www-personal.umich.edu/ ~ifmuth/project/ | ||
Scottr Member Username: Scottr Post Number: 860 Registered: 07-2006 |
Wayne State was founded only 31 years after UM left Detroit, who's to say if UM stayed it wouldn't have turned out much the same as WSU? And if WSU was unable to stem the tide, who's to say UM could have either? Also, WSU probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the move (or if it did, it wouldn't be what it is today) - so now, instead of having one research university in SE Michigan, we have two. IMO, he exact opposite of your statement is more likely - with only one such university in the region, we would be even WORSE off than we are now. As for the state capital contenders, I know Grand Blanc was also in the running. I've always wondered who else was in the running (i knew AA) and how exactly they made their decision, what criteria (other than centrality) led to the decision to go with Lansing vs other cities. | ||
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass Post Number: 574 Registered: 01-2007 |
I say we trade Toledo for UofM/Ann Arbor... ...but Ohio will never go for the deal. | ||
Michmeister Member Username: Michmeister Post Number: 278 Registered: 10-2006 |
That land was granted through the Treaty of Fort Meigs, 1817. Indians believe the treaty included education for Indians in perpetuity. Sure did educate them.....don`t screw with the white man.  | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 442 Registered: 04-2004 |
I don't know, Jrvass. I've never known that so many Ohioans are willing to give up Toledo for anything. | ||
Jrvass Member Username: Jrvass Post Number: 575 Registered: 01-2007 |
Yeah, Ohio would get the short end of the stick. | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 484 Registered: 07-2007 |
A good history about the "war" over the Toledo Strip. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T oledo_War Think politics today is rough sport? Kwame's got nothing to complain about: "Mason's successor Horner proved to be extremely unpopular as governor and his tenure was very short. Residents disliked him so much they burned him in effigy and pelted him with vegetables upon his entry into the territorial capital. In the October 1835 elections, voters approved the draft constitution and elected the popular Mason as state governor." | ||
Umstucoach Member Username: Umstucoach Post Number: 164 Registered: 04-2006 |
That's the problem with today. Too much whining on the internet, not enough effigy burning. Oh, and tar and feathering. Love the tar and feathering. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1349 Registered: 11-2003 |
Scottr-- the following is from http://www.cityoflansingmi.com /pnd/historypres/historydetail s.jsp The City of Lansing was founded as Michigan's capitol city through a provision of the 1837 Michigan constitution. The constitution established Detroit as the state's temporary capitol, but required the legislature to select a permanent site in ten years. In 1847 the legislature was faced with making a choice. The name of Lansing Township was proposed as a compromise to the site selection controversy, at the instigation of James Seymour of Rochester, New York, owner of lands in the area. The township was located midway across the state and north of lands heavily settled already. Its selection was seen as a means of promoting growth of the more northerly parts of the state. Accordingly Lansing Township was adopted as the site. |
