Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 849 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:07 pm: | |
Another list that we didn't want to be number one on.... http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING /worklife/02/25/worst.job.stat es/index.html |
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23
Post Number: 576 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:24 pm: | |
Boy, don't I know! And that percentage for Michigan is low because they only count people registered with state agencies. I was laid off again last Monday and am still not qualified for unemployment, therefore not counted. |
Diehard Member Username: Diehard
Post Number: 341 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:33 pm: | |
I find it strange that Alaska and Mississippi's top industry is "government." How can a state stay afloat when 1/4 of its "industry" is public sector? It makes sense for the District of Columbia for obvious reasons, but those other two sound suspiciously like a certain city we know whose leaders seem to be preoccupied with providing tax-funded jobs for their friends, rather than wooing private investment. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 850 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:46 pm: | |
Michigan is 47th in per capita direct federal spending, which include wages and benefits for government employees. Alaska is 2nd. We could use some more Federal jobs here. |
Bobj Member Username: Bobj
Post Number: 4007 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:51 pm: | |
Bring in the Government! |
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485
Post Number: 2997 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 10:55 pm: | |
Michigan definitely needs to diversify its economy. Federal jobs will definitely help. If you're not in engineering, health care, or finance, you are very screwed. |
Darwinism Member Username: Darwinism
Post Number: 699 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 6:45 am: | |
We shouldn't be in denial. Michigan and especially Metro Detroit has been the #1 Worst state for job seekers for at least a couple of years now. Chances are ..... with the national recession or "stagflation", Michigan is really going to be hit very, very, very hard for the foreseeable future. |
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 592 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 9:34 am: | |
Ltorivia485? screwed in health care? I thought that I had heard that there were a TON of jobs in health care right now, especially for nurses. Everything I have heard has said that colleges can't produce nurses fast enough. |
Mama_jackson Member Username: Mama_jackson
Post Number: 288 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 9:40 am: | |
El_Jimbo, read it one more time. You must have been speed reading. ----If you're not in engineering, health care, or finance, you are very screwed.---- from post number 2997 by Ltorivia485 |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2748 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:01 am: | |
I find it strange that Alaska and Mississippi's top industry is "government." How can a state stay afloat when 1/4 of its "industry" is public sector? It makes sense for the District of Columbia for obvious reasons, but those other two sound suspiciously like a certain city we know whose leaders seem to be preoccupied with providing tax-funded jobs for their friends, rather than wooing private investment. A military base? |
Diehard Member Username: Diehard
Post Number: 342 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 10:34 am: | |
Ah yes. I was thinking just state government. Throw a bunch of federal money at 'em and it makes sense. |
Ladyinabag Member Username: Ladyinabag
Post Number: 387 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:03 am: | |
There's all sorts of USA Today paper routes open. M-F, all week-ends and holidays off. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5385 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 11:06 am: | |
quote:There's all sorts of USA Today paper routes open. M-F, all week-ends and holidays off. Some whack job might kill a carrier at 2AM in/near Detroit just for getting his hands on the papers to sell for whatever... |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 854 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:50 pm: | |
Military bases are all in the South because they used the argument that you need warm weather locations to be ready at all times. That argument didn't work too well during Katrina, though. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5388 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:10 pm: | |
quote:Military bases are all in the South because they used the argument that you need warm weather locations to be ready at all times. That argument didn't work too well during Katrina, though. The military's largest installation in LA is probably Fort Polk, LA. It seems to have survived Katrina quite nicely, thank you. (Quite probably wasn't the least bit affected...) On the contrary, its location assisted during that period. Another unsubstantiated red herring, perhaps, from another over-opinionated DY poster, but usually short on vital facts and their interpretation, yet again... |
Spacemonkey Member Username: Spacemonkey
Post Number: 298 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:30 pm: | |
I am unemployed , or under-employed, just freelance writing to get by. Lots of freelance work out there, though. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2754 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:35 pm: | |
quote:Military bases are all in the South because they used the argument that you need warm weather locations to be ready at all times. That argument didn't work too well during Katrina, though. Who told you that military bases are all in the South? |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 856 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:43 pm: | |
http://usmilitary.about.com/od /nationaldisasters/a/katrinaba sedam.htm Bases that were effected by Katrina: Eglin Air Force Base, Hurlburt Field and Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.; Barksdale Air Force Base, La.; Columbus Air Force Base, Miss.; Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala.; Naval Air Station New Orleans, La.; Naval Support Activity New Orleans; Naval Station Pascagoula, Miss.; Naval Construction Battalion Center Gulfport, Miss.; and Naval Air Station Pensacola, Fla.; Marine Forces Reserve Headquarters, New Orleans; and Jackson Barracks, New Orleans, home of the Louisiana National Guard. There are probably more that I have missed. Yes, you are right though - LA did assist in the Katrina operations (they sent four helicopters), but so did Selfridge AFB (they sent three C-130's) : http://michigan.gov/dmva/0,160 7,7-126-34250_34253-129940--,0 0.html Selfridge AFB also was not effected at all by Katrina, so what is your point? None as usual. Talk about a blowhard! LA can hardly be counted as a city that is untouched by natural disasters. Sure Michigan has bad winters, but we also don't have mudslides, earthquakes, massive wildfires, etc. etc. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 857 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:50 pm: | |
quote:Who told you that military bases are all in the South? Ok, MOST of the LARGE military bases are in the South. They sure as hell aren't in Michigan. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5389 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 1:55 pm: | |
quote:Bases that were eaffected by Katrina: blah blah yet more blah Come on, use a bit of common sense... You implied that Katrina had adversely eaffected the southern placement of our military bases--which wasn't true. Then, you wiggle (worm) out of it by rattling off names of other forts, etc. that weren't yet eliminated by BRAC. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2755 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 2:42 pm: | |
quote:Ok, MOST of the LARGE military bases are in the South. They sure as hell aren't in Michigan. Michigan seems to be the exception, not the rule: http://www.visitmilitarybases. com/basemap.html But while not a base, there is the Army TACOM operation in Warren... http://www.tacom.army.mil/ |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 859 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 3:05 pm: | |
Yes, now look at the SIZE of those bases: http://www.nps.gov/history/nag pra/DOCUMENTS/BasesMilitaryMAP .htm Hint: red spotches = larger bases. My point, LY, was that the argument to NOT place bases in Michigan has been attributed to the weather. I was pointing out that bases in the South can be effected by weather as well, particularly in the hurricane season. Those bases WERE effected by Katrina and so were bases in Texas and elsewhere who were on alert because no one knew for sure where Katrina would make landfall. The point is that Michigan could use the jobs that come along with those bases, federal research labs, federal agencies, etc. Michigan is bleeding and we STILL are a donor state. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5394 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 3:21 pm: | |
NR: The Katrina problem was primarily brought upon and worsened by those living in Louisiana--ineffectual NO mayor (who has a parallel here), an even worse governor, and corrupt politicians going back generations to those who were speaking French. New Orleans has a Levy Board that was supposed to take care of its levies. Instead, they squandered their money on luring a casino there--sound familiar? A lot of Katrina's damage didn't extend that terribly far inland. Somewhat like "lake-effect" snow around the Great Lakes. And most sensible people had gotten out of the way, except in NO. Maybe, they weren't sensible enough to get out of the rain. In any event, the various BRAC programs came about to cut down the cost of running the military. The leftists who generally don't support the US military should welcome that cost cutting. It seems that many complain about BRAC, too. (Message edited by LivernoisYard on February 26, 2008) |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 861 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 3:27 pm: | |
Wow, is that off topic. The point of this thread is that Michigan needs jobs. Then it was pointed out that there are more government related jobs going to other states, and gee - we could use some of those jobs. Michigan gets a return of about 80 cents for every dollar we pay in taxes while Alaska and Connecticut get about $2 even though we have the highest unemployment in the nation. Now you are babbling on about who is at fault for the levies, BRAC, and corruption in Louisiana. Where did that come from? Time to take you meds, LY. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5395 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 3:32 pm: | |
Les Aspin was my Congressman in Rock County, WI. He was the House counterpart to Levin before Clinton. He became Secretary of Defense under Clinton. He more dismantled the military than build it up, and after the US troops got a bad bloody nose in Africa, he got fired. Les apparently tried to spread some DoD business around, while a Congressman. For example, his brother got caught up in some sleezy deal, selling batteries to the military. |
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485
Post Number: 3000 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 5:05 pm: | |
Why isn't anyone bringing up Selfridge in Macomb County? It's not exactly a small military base. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5396 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 5:19 pm: | |
Selfridge is coalescing and downsizing. It's still used because of its pork due to Candice Miller and Levin, as it's bona fide military surplus. The Nike site and SAC days were so "1960"--over 40 years ago... They did rebuild the runways though for the air freighters. The F-16s didn't need that. Many similar bases didn't survive the 1960s. It's definitely small. I helped out making linen deliveries from 6 and Livernois to there for a couple hours a day a week during 2001 and 2002 after a friend broke his hip there. Ain't much there. Lots of empty buildings, just like Detroit in places. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2757 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 5:25 pm: | |
Selfridge is an Air National Guard base. All states have an Air National Guard. |
Evelyn Member Username: Evelyn
Post Number: 134 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 5:29 pm: | |
Subject jump, sorry. “Ford is Pushing Buyouts to Workers,” NY Times today: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02 /26/business/26ford.html?_r=1& hp&oref=slogin But I can’t think of anything pithy or insightful to say, I’m sleepy and apartment-hunting. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 863 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 7:03 pm: | |
Selfridge has 550 people on active duty, 1,720 civilian workers, and 4,200 guardsman. That's not bad, but Fort Hood, Texas has 42,000 making Selfridge tiny by comparison. Fort Hood itself is small compared to the total military personnel in Texas - numbering almost 200,000. That is just one example. |
Hooha Member Username: Hooha
Post Number: 165 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 7:51 pm: | |
The one bright side of that article is that they based it off of unemployment, not anything else. The full list: http://www.bls.gov/web/laumstr k.htm would show Idaho and South Dakota as the "best" states to find jobs because they have the lowest unemployment rates. Somehow those states don't strike me as a job utopia. |
Mwilbert Member Username: Mwilbert
Post Number: 104 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 8:21 pm: | |
Military bases are in the south for a lot of reasons. A lot of military bases were built during WWII. The north was busy doing industrial things; the south less so, so there were more workers available to build stuff. Not having winter meant you could built quicker and cheaper (didn't need to insulate or handle snow loads--they didn't air condition in those days). Also, naval bases are going to tend to be on the ocean, of which there is a shortage around Michigan. For a long time, because of the "Solid South", most Congressional committees, especially military committees, were dominated by southerners--check out L. Mendel Rivers sometime; he basically buried South Carolina under military installations. So that is part of the reason as well. During the Cold War, there were a lot of northern SAC bases (like Selfridge) because bombers and missiles would have flown over the pole to attack the Soviet Union, and northern locations were closer, but changes in weaponry made most of those bases unnecessary and they were closed. In Michigan, Wurtsmith, Kinchloe, and Sawyer were closed. Anyway the result is lots of bases in the south, not so many around here. Nowadays the military is disproportionately composed of southerners who may prefer southern bases. |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 1267 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 8:54 pm: | |
There are plenty of jobs available. What is necessary is a skill set that accompanies what employers want. If you are well versed at pouring beer into a mug or pulling a lever to stamp a piece of metal you might want to think about re-educating yourself. |