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Jgavrile
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Does anyone remember going to Crystal Pool on Greenfield across from Northland? Quite a place from what I remember. Having grown up in Highland Park, we would roll our bathing suits and a towel up and rubber band them to the handle bars. Then it was some ride out Woodward to 8 mile, then West on 8 mile to Greenfield. By the time you got there , you were worn out.
The guy guy who ran it was sort of hard ass. I don't think he would let blacks in there?? maybe it changed later?? I went up there maybe 5 times all in all with my buddies on our bikes. Got caught in a rain storm on the way back one day. man that was something. They tore it down and built Shoppers Fair there I think in the 60's
Always wondered how the pool came about?? Was there any other amusements around there that this Mr. Crystal built it, or was it just some land he had that he decided to build a big cement swimming pool/lake?? I never had the guts to dive off of the high board.
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Never went there, but I remember passing it on the Greenfield bus going to Northland. I seem to think of a bar/restaurant called the "Scotch and Sirloin" being around there too, along with a motel of some kind. Haven't thought about that pool/area in a long time.
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Took the Eight Mile bus and went to Crystal Pool many times as a young kid. The pool seemed about half the size of a football field and had gradual approach leading to a 10 foot depth. It had two diving boards and a dive tower that seemed about 30-foot high, though it was probably nearer to 16 feet. Jumped off that tower many times - always very frightening. I remember the changing room and area were very clean and the water was always "crystal" clear.

I think Scotch & Sirloin was across Eight Mile on the corner of Greenfield or what became the Lodge service drive. Had some sort of notoriety.

Memories of long ago. Thanks.
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Crystal Pool was a huge target in the civil rights movement of the lake 1950s. Rather than integrate, the owner sold out and ripped it out.
Perhaps somebody has the authentic story. It was a sad chapter in Detroit race relations, back in a time when integrated swimming was seen a health hazard.

jjaba worked at the same time at Brennan Pools in Rouge Park, and we served everybody who came to our doors. Trust me, as a locker room attendant, jjaba insured everybody showered every part with soap.

jjaba, males body inspector in the 1960s.
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Jman
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 5:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jgavrile, I also remember going to Crystal Pool by bicycle or streetcar and bus when we could afford the 10 or 11 cents each way. We also went horseback riding at the Magnolia Stables about a half mile west of there. I'm also from Highland Park.

The diving board was 5 meters.
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Jjaba
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Was there a streetcar on Eight Mile Road? They sure have a median for it, unless it was on the side of the road.
jjaba, curious.
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Jjaba, I would take the Woodward streetcar to the fairgrounds and transfer to the westbound 8 Mile bus.
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scotch and Sirloin building is still there , or most of it is there .
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Jgavrile
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Yea, you would have a rough time going down 8 mile in a streetcar. As I remember ,there were high tension towers along 8 mile, so a streetcar would not have been possible.
Jman, where did you live in Highland Park? I lived near the YMCA. Graduated in 1963. The streetcar + the bus idea was about the best way to get there. Riding the bike was too much.
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Was there a streetcar on the route of the current DDOT #23 bus line? I believe it connects Highland Park to Northland directly.
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Jman
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Jgavrile, sounds like you lived on Beresford or Winona. I lived on Waverly. The apartment right behind the Bank of the Commonwealth. Class of 58. I ate my first pizza at Valentine restaurant, corner of Beresford and Woodward around 1950.
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Our mother took my brother and and I there in the 50's, and we were always amazed by the size. . They did let a few black patrons in, but some people would not swim, or go in the water near them. On one occasion it got violent, with some young guys taunting a family, and one of their children getting hurt in the shallow end. Mom had enough of that nonsense and we never went back.
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Jman
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Bearinabox, no direct streetcar service from H.P. to Northland.
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Nice thread...

Jman, it sounds like you lived in the Philby.

https://www.detroityes.com/webisode s/2006/02-FabulousApartmentRui ns/110.htm

The Bank of Commonwealth is a post office parking lot now. I used to do my banking there when I lived on Colorado.
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Jman
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Lowell, yes it was the Philby. Last year in January I posted in the HOF thread "Fabulous apartment ruins of Detroit" about living in the Philby. It was truly a great area to live in as everything we needed was within walking distance and everything we wanted was just a streetcar ride away. I could see and hear the Woodward streetcars from my bedroom window.
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Jgavrile
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Jman. The Valentines restaurant used to be owned by my Father. It was the Atlas cafe. We sold it in 1950 or so. My dad kept the bar ,Atlas Bar, next door up into the 70's. I used to get my Free Press papers at night thrown right there in front. Lots of old characters lived around there.. After my Dad sold the bar, it became sort of famous for the Chinn murder out in back by a couple of disgrunted auto workers.
I can't seem to load the old picture as it is 50KB?? I don't know how to get it smaller??
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Jman, the greatest place to have a lunch or breakfast was the S & C (Sutton & Clemmens) dinner car, right next to the YMCA. man they had the best hash brown and American fries. My dad had the restaurant and the bar ,and even he would go over there and have a coffee when he wanted a break. Great little place. I remember sometime in the 60's the S & C Dinner was in Life magazine. Whish I had that issue again.The same guys had a restaurant further North on Woodward between 6 mile and 7 mile, called Jerry's
As a kid , I spent a lot of time at the "Y". Great place to hang out. Swimming, billiards, and best of all to me was the wood shop ,down stairs. I made a lot of stuff down there and learned alot about wood working as a kid. I lived down the street on Winona.Used to be a beautiful neighborhood.
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Jgarvrile, I remember when the restaurant and the bar were split up. My Dad was your Dad's best customer at the Atlas LOL. I don't know if you remember a bartender by the name of George but he served me my first beer in a bar. Didn't your Dad sell it to the Porters? My brother (mostly) and I (very infrequently) tended bar there while going to school. My Free Press papers were also dropped off there. I had W. Grand and Pasadena from Woodward to Hamilton.

Were you a little curly blond haired kid?
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Jman
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I remember the S&C and Jerry's Fine Dining. The American fries, wow. My Mother and now my wife makes them the same way. Their secret was baking the potato when everyone else boiled them. Ever go to Camp Ohyesa (sp) with the Y?
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You got it Jman, George was my Mother's Cousin. Not sure of the name of the guy who bought the bar?? The one guy that bought Valentine's was Hank, I remember that. Only beer and wine allowed in bars in Highland Park. No liquor by the glass?? Dumb ass law. My Father and other bar owners tried and tried to get liquor passed in that town, but too many phoney church folks I guess, Eventually they did get it, but it was after my Dad had sold out and retired.
he oppened that restaurant on that corner in 1914. Once he retired, he refused to pass by that corner, while driving or walking. He didn't ever want to look at it again.
When my Dad died in 1976, we did have the funeral pass by that corner in his honor ,for all the years he spent working there.
The Highland Park motorcycle cops came and escorted the funeral on that day all the way out to the cemetary in Royal Oak, as a gesture of remembrance to my Father.
When he first opened that restaurant,1914,it was open 24 hours.7 days a week. Highland Park ,was one busy town. Henry Ford and James Cousens used to come in there early in the morning and sit down with my Dad and talk. I have a few interesting photos from then. Henry Ford never drank coffee and only drank tea. He also didn't like smoking cigarettes,which my Dad did smoke. he would reach over and crush the pack of cigs my Dad would have in his pocket and tell him how bad they were for his health. It wasn't the tobacco he was against, it was the paper that they were rolled in he thought caused the cancer.
Where your apartment was, used to be a farm called the Tyler farm. The entrance to the farm used to be on Glendale, same street as the high school. Story goes that when old man Ford was looking for some money to buy out his debtors, he asked my Dad to set up a little getogether with this Farmer to see if he would wanted to invest some money. Well, my Dad and he went over to the farm one morning and sat on the porch talking to the farmer, who told Ford he was nuts and that cars would never take over from horses. They left. A few years later ,when Ford was making thousands of Model T's, my Dad used to drive over to that farm and toot the horn while driving past the old man sitting on the porch and he would shake his fist at my Dad and yell at him for not talking him into investing more seriously, earlier. he would have been rich.
On your street lived a nice old man called Scotty, He used to come into the bar and sit and have a few draft beers. They called them shells back then. There was another guy called "popeye" that drove a dump truck ,smoked a pipe.
Yup ,I was the little kid with the blond hair. Mostly bald and grey now.
Lots of guys over the years sold papers on the corners.There was a guy named Vic who rode a bike and sold papers in front of Cunninghams every night.
Also there was an older Brother of my school friend ,who was Syrian , who sold papers on the corner of Davison and Woodward on Saturday nights. The brothers now own a mens clothing store out on Middlebelt in Livonia called Allie Brothers. they have some nice men's clothes.
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Jman
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I knew Scotty, he was a very nice man. I was a pallbearer for Popeye. He drove a coal truck. Saturday afternoon pinochle players. Friends of my Dad. I don't know if you would remember my Dad, his first name was Roy. He was a Chrysler engineer who always wore a suit even on weekends.

On Saturday he would hang out at Mickey's Barber Shop across from the S & C or at the Atlas, playing cards.

If you are talking about Hussein "Baldy" now John Allie his paperstand was right in front of Cunningham's on Waverly and Woodward. I don't remember Vic. Last time I saw Baldy was at his store a few years back. Is the younger brother's name Sam?

I know when I started drinking there was liquor in H.P. A quarter for a shot of 7 Crown and a nickel for a pony (short beer chaser). I have been known to ask for a shell of beer and watch the bartender stare at me until I figure out what I said and change it to a draft beer.

George was a good man. He attended both of my parents funerals. I think I heard he passed away from cancer as did my brother.
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I did know your Dad. i remember him very well. He was one of the guys who talked me into going to be an engineer.George is still alive, and he still works believe it or not. After working at the bar he sold insurance. then he retired from that and he has been working for the city of Southfield in their maintenance garage now for quite a few years. I am not sure what he does. I know its not as a mechanic. Your right about "Baldie: His younger Brother, Sam and I were in school together. You know Baldie was a Korean veteran? I remember when he and a few others from Highland Park came home and they had a small parade for them. He can get real riled up when people say something about Moslems and them being un-American. he is willing to show you his bullet holes from serving "His Country".
As many Syrian/Lebanese Moslems as there were while growing up in Highland Park, they never had any anti-American sentiment that I can remember. We all got along and they were not obvious that they believed in another religion. We didn't care anyway. We were all buddies.No one dressed the part of the Middleast. We did learn a few colorful Arabic words while growing up tho. Very good people back then. Hell I bet a third of my street were Syrian/Lebanese or Armenian. The family next door used to own S & M appliance up on Victor and Woodward.
I too used to get a hair cut at Mickey's. Cass was a barber there and took over after Mickey died and then moved over near the wayne Oakland Bank.I used to be on the Atlas Bowling team with Cass and George when I was younger. George still is on some league and bowls all the time, although he has had trouble with his knees of late.Had an operation or two. After retirement my Dad would pop in to Mickey's and play some cards too.
Damm there were some good people back then.
I remember Scotty had a real pretty Grandaughter.
How about going to New York hat Cleaner on gerald and getting a shoe shine/? Andy had quite an operation there with the hat cleaning. I understand that he used to have a soda shop where my Dad's bar used to be. When he got out out of the soda shop ,is when my Dad rented that store and oppened the bar. Andy then went on to open the hat cleaners and shoe shine stand. great place to listen to some pre- Motown music. Jackie Wilson, the singer used to come in there. He lived on Cottage Grove and his half Sister was in my class. Once in a while he would come and pick her up from school in the first Eldorado I ever saw. It was a mettalic blue convertable with white top and while leather seats.
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Glad to hear George is still alive. I don't know where I got the idea he was dead.

Small world, you knowing my Dad.

Cass was a better barber than Mickey but I ended up going to Eddie Ortons shop after he left Mickey.

Everybody got their shoes shined at Andy's.

I don't remember the name of the S&M owner but he was the Uncle of a good friend of mine. They used to meet at my friends Grandmother's house on Waverly and 2nd every Friday night to play poker. The Grandmother always won because she cheated. Everyone knew but no one would say a word.

I knew Jackie(Sonny) Wilson, he was in my brothers class (although he was 3 years older than my brother). Was at his house a couple of times. Met the Platters once there before Sonny made it to the big time.

Bet you know Danny and Alex Doutsas. They lived on the Southeast corner of Winona and John R. Their Dad owned the Manchester Inn. I think that was the name of their bar at Manchester and John R.

H.P. was a melting pot. It was no place for a person to be "anti" anything.




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I tried to find Alex Doutsas last year. I had tracked him down to living in Harrison Michigan. One of my other buddies who went to Barber School moved up there. His name is John Breck. ,had some older brothers too Doug and Bob.They lived on Farand. Anyhow, John and I went over to the house I found on Mapquest, but never got an answer at the door or when I tried to call?? Never tried again.The people who owned the appliance store were the Nassars. The oldest one was Sam, and then there was Charlie,Naif, and I think Moe? You could get a good deal on anything over at that store. TV's ,appliances, lawn mowers, etc.
Yea ,they did use to call Jackie Wilson ,Sonny.His Mother was sure a nice woman.
Just about all the original bans, groups from Motown ,would hang around over at Andy's. Berry Gordy too.
say , how are you guys posting pictures on this site?? Everytime I go to attach a picture ,it is too big for the website. Gee most pics are more than 50kb??
Did you go to Barber School?
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Jman, do you remember that there were a couple stores between the Post office and the Bank of the Commonwealth?? I cannot remember what they were .although i have a flashback , that one was a small grocery store?? do you remember??
I got an old milkbottle off of e-bay that was listed as Highland Park Creamery 2841 Woodward. The address of my Dad's restaurant pre-1921 was 2852 Woodward. Then they changed the addresses and it became 13300. So I figure that the creamery was about where the post office was? Before our time ,I think. I know there used to be used car lot there before the post office also.
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Jman
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Maybe someone can chime in and help you with the photo, I sure would like to see it but I'm a rank amateur with computers.

From north to south was the bank, Mike's Market, Mickey' Barber Shop, a little store that sold mostly sewing supplies and the restaurant that changed owners every month and the post office. I'm sure you also sat on the eagle.

I went to Robt. E. Barber. Doug Breck was in my class.

Last time I saw Alex, he and Dick Sayig still owned the restaurant in the Free Press Bldg. downtown.
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Whoa! Great stuff Parkers.

I think I was in the generation just after you with maybe some overlap.

I moved to HP in '72 and later bought my house at 45 Colorado, about the time tons of folks were leaving, which explains why I could buy that arts and crafts beauty for a pittance of true value.

As I recollect the Atlas, or possibly a successor, still operated as a restaurant at which I dined at a few times. Later, of course, it would be come the infamous Fancy Pants nudie bar and scene of the sensational Vincent Chin murder. [That'll teach Chinese Americans for building Japanese cars! Stupid tragic death that shows what comes when people aren’t educated enough.]

The rail car diner was a classic and lasted into the late 70's. In its last iteration it was called Lowell's, a name I could remember. I played handball at the Highland Park YMCA next door and some of us would dine there afterwards sometimes. Eventually it was leveled for no apparent purpose and the land still sits unused. My friend Julius Lee who ran the YMCA at the time tried to acquire it for a parking lot but the cost was too high. The HP Y was ~the~ place to play handball, home of the MI Handball Assoc. and home court of many of Detroit’s greats – a long way of saying that I took a lot of thumpings coming up the ladder.

That building was one of many beautiful edifices lining Woodward, but so many are gone now, the Salvation Army building, many storefronts, the B of C bank, the mighty Manufacturers bank at Manchester, Ivahoe's Market, formerly Jack Cinamon’s… Like you say it was a great location with everything one could want close at hand.

BTW if you need an help posting pictures, click the CONTACT link at the left and I will help you out.
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Lowell, in the 40s and 50s I used to watch the handball matches at the Y. They were few and far between though as squash was very popular then. Did you ever play at Palmer Park? I watched a few big money matches there.
The Northern Y is where I learned how to swim. My brother took me to the deep end and thru me in, no paddle board for me, sink or swim.

Great houses on Colorado. One of my best friends lived right across the street from your house. His Dad was the general sales manager for Kelvinator.
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I have truly enjoyed reading your posts about HP. Glad I kept reading to read all of those wonderful memories. I am a new resident, going on 8 years but surrounded by neighbors that have been here many years. I have often dreamed of how this city looked in it's heyday, especially when I hear their recollections. Are there any history/photo books about this city?

Not exactly where I thought we would live and raise our family but we are amongst the few that believe things will get better. I hope to see the day when I don't have to drive 30-40 minutes to do some decent shopping for food, items and clothes. And where the city is full of great people that are employed, taking care of their families, homes and community. There is so much blight right now and it's depressing at times.

Thanks for sharing.
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I agree; always thought that Highland Park was a nice place. I also have pleasant memories of swimming and shooting pool at the YMCA. Some really beautiful homes with nice lawns that I kept well manicured as an entrepreneurial youth
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Thanks Homewrecker. All three photos were taken from the east side of Woodward facing north. The photographer is standing between E.Grand Ave. and Cottage Grove. In the Second picture you can see a sign at the corner of Cottage Grove "Shifmans Mens Wear". I spent a lot of money in there as a young man.
The third picture you can clearly see Cunninghams on the corner of Pasadena.

Sure seemed to have a lot of Dentists in H.P. in the late 30s.
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Lowel, I am not sure what you mean about clicking on the contact to the left?? is there a way I can e-mail you off of the site??

Jman. Doug Breck is alive and kicking in Royal Oak. He married Penny Neesley. Ironic as her Brother's son was in the paper today. he was killed about a month ago in Iraq and he had adopted a couple dogs over there, and now his family wants to bring them back here to the states?
As to Mike's market, I sort of remember that now. You went in there and told them what you wanted and they picked the stuff off of the shelf and boxed it up for you ,. they had those long sticks that had a claw on the end that would grasp things.
For all you youngsters, There was a stupid law in school and in swimming pools ?? Boys had to swim "naked" in the school pools and at the YMCA. Of course when there was a family night thing at the "Y" well you got to wear your suit, but for swimming class itself, you had to go in there naked?? The girls on the other hand, did not have to swim naked in school. To this day, I still don't understand this rule and when I tell it to people ,they think I am full of crap and hallucinating ,and that it could never have been that way. Its a wonder all the guys aren't gay??
In Highland Park it was mandatory to learn to swim in grade school . I think starting in the 4 th. grade you began your swimming classes ,alternating with gym, every other day.
There is no way that you graduated from grade school without learning how to swim. The few schools that didn't have a pool, the kids walked to one of the schools that did have a pool for their lessons.
We had an ex Navy guy for a phys. ed teacher. He was pretty strict, but on the other hand he was a real good teacher. Taught us how to use our Levi's to make a float while in the water in order to help maybe save our lives someday. Something ,I guess they were taught in the Navy in WW II.His name was Andy Brusca and he just passed away last year. He was also the school punishment administrator. If you screwed up in school, well the teacher would take you down to see Mr. "B" who had a very efficient paddle with holes in it , that stung like hell when it met your ass. He was not afraid to use it.

Lugotown, never be ashamed of living in Highland Park, as it was one of the best towns you could live in, in Michigan. They use to get so many National awards for clean streets, beautiful trees, the best schools, low taxes, the best water, etc. Going to school, you never paid for any books, paper, pencils, pens, you name it ,it was al furnished for free. You even got to go to college for 2 years for free, if you graduated from high school. It didn't get no better than that. They picked up the garbage twice a week , they even brush cleaned the alleys every month, they brush cleaned the streets, they trimmed all the trees along the street. In the winter , they brush cleaned all the sidewalks in the whole city.
It was a town to be proud of. On Friday nights and on Saturdays , the streets were so crowded with shoppers and people going about their business, you could hardly walk by on the sidewalks. Especially up by Sears and Penny's, across from the old Ford plant. Detroit couldn't hold a candle to Highland Park in terms of services and quality of life.It was "The Town That Hank Built" (Henry Ford).We even had are own water supply from Lake st. Clair as compared to Detroit and the water was Flouridated.
thwe shame of it all is that there is very little recorded history in words or in pictures??? When you go to Borders or Barnes N Noble and you see all those paper back small books that tell the history of every friggin suburb of Detroit and all the particuliar things in Detroit, there is not one book on the history of the city of Highland Park??? Where the hell it all went, I have no clue. Even Hamtramck has a book, but not H.P.? there used to be several files of stuff at the Mcgregor Library, but who knows where it is now??
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Jgavrile-

Thanks. I do hold my head up and defend the city to so many. Wow! I was often told that it was a lot like Grosse Pointe. I think it is a shame and maybe part of the plan to keep all that history hidden. I think people would be shocked if the true history of HP was well known. There was a lady that lived on Colorado that was in charge of the HP Historical Society (I think) but she ended up moving a few years back. Not sure where all the stuff she had or the library materials went. I think I may have to start asking some questions.

There are a few people playing monopoly around my area with so many homes available. I live in the Southeast Area. Most of the homes are now selling for 8-20K. They try to list them for more but they end up selling for at least 1/2 less than the list price. Most need a whole lot of work but some need cosmetic/minor stuff. I have seen a few families snatch some of these homes up to actually move into them and not rent them out. Yeah! As a matter of fact, just last year, 2 families purchased homes right next to each other on Colorado (they may know each other), big, nice homes. One was the one that the Historical lady lived in. One sold for 55K, the other for 50K. Anyway, I digress.

As I read some of the posts on this site, it seems like there are many HP folks on here. Has there ever been a thread for the HP folks? I feel like I am so lucky to have been able to read about your memories but some people wouldn't have kept reading like I did to discover them.
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Sure were a lot of damm dentist offices back in the 30's between Grand and Cottage Grove. Little further North between Victor and Manchester was Capitol Cut-rate. They had a lot of guys clothes in there. Looks like Cunninghams was on the corner of Pasadena and Woodward back then.Later it on I think that Kresge's was there or was it on the corner of Ford St.? Cunninghams had moved to Waverly and Woodward
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Sure were a lot of damm dentist offices back in the 30's between Grand and Cottage Grove. Little further North between Victor and Manchester was Capitol Cut-rate. They had a lot of guys clothes in there. Looks like Cunninghams was on the corner of Pasadena and Woodward back then.Later it on I think that Kresge's was there or was it on the corner of Ford St.? Cunninghams had moved to Waverly and Woodward
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Cunninghams was at Waverly and Pasadena at the same time. Capitol Cut-Rate had the cheapest Levis and Munsingwear T-shirts with the no stretch neck. Standard apparel in the 50s.

Kresge's was at Ford.

Remember three theatres within three blocks? The Grand, the Belmont (later the Metropolitan), and the Highland Parker in pictures one and three above. On special Saturdays we would see 15 cartoons, a selected short like 3 Stooges or one of the many serials, the Movietone News and 2 features all for 12 cents. Good way for our parents to get rid of us from 9:00 a.m. till after 1:00.
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Jman, I have a question about the streetcars?? Lets say a streetcar was heading South on Woodward and he wanted to go East on Victor, what made the car take a turn unto those tracks instead of continuing down south. Something I never paid any thought to as a kid. Now in looking at those pictures, i thought about it. I don't remember there being a switch of some kind in the tracks?/ Maybe some one else knows the answer??
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Yea, I spent many Saturdays at the movies. Sometimes at the Grand and sometimes at the Highland Parker. Saw a lot of the Keystone cops and a lot of cartoons. $0.12 the whole day.Use to get turtle neck shirts from Capital cut-Rate, and those thin plastic belts,where we wore them with the buckle over to the side ,instead of straight on.Used to get our pants pegged too,and go to Cancellation and get a pair of points.
I remember when Flag Bros, came out with Flag-Flyers, Man they were the rage for a while. Some had the double white stich around the soles that we used to clean with an old toothbrush and a little bleach mixed with water.
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Jgavrile; Did you know someone by the name of Dave Hawkins? I know he was from HP and attended HPJC the same time I did.
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Jgavrile; Did you know someone by the name of Dave Hawkins? I know he was from HP and attended HPJC the same time I did. This would have been in the mid 60's.
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Sounds familiar, but I can't place the face?? I went there from 64-66
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Jgavrile;Do you recall an Edie Gesaman? (I'm not sure about the spelling.)
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That doesn't sound familiar.
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I do remember having a Physics professor. Robt. Ettinger who was the pioneer of the cryogenics technique when you die. Instead of burrying you, they would freeze you and maybe sometime down the line they might find a cure for what killed you and be able to repair that and then bring you back to life. He really believed in this and wrote books about it. It was rumored that Walt Disney signed up for this and was frozen.I spoke with Ettinger ,back about 10 years ago and he was still at it. Very nice man.
Remember a guy in some of my classes that lived in Berkely and another that lived out on Quarton rd. Also a John Cashman, who had gone to St. Benedicts in Highland Park. Lived on Greendale.
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Jgavrile, I believe the driver got out there with an iron bar and did it himself. Here's the corner in question.


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jjaba's mother worked at Highland Bolt, on Victor St. Each morning, she would put the receipts of the company in a shopping bag, stuff it in her purse, and walk down to Manufacturer's Bank, on the corner of Woodward to deposit the money.

On another thread, we documented jjaba and family riding the Oakman Streetcars into Manchester Yards, then transfer for the Woodward PCC cars downtown Detroit. jjaba got his first haircut in a horsie chair at Hudson's.

jjaba doesn't recall that we shopped much in Highland Park back in the 1940s.

jjaba, Proudly Westside.

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