  Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 3150 Registered: 06-2006 |
This is probably a good thing, all things considered. With hundreds of thousands fewer manufacturing jobs than just a few years ago, it was inevitable that the state's population would have to adjust itself to reflect the changing job market. It's better that many of these people leave the state to seek work than stay here to fight over 1 open position with 500 other applicants...all that does is drive wages down and lead to more people collecting unemployment... We really have an extremely high number of jobs in this region...there just aren't enough for 5 million people anymore, especially those who lack job skills outside of the manufacturing sector... The population just has to adjust itself...and that's going going to take several years to happen...but things will stabilize eventually http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20071227/METRO /712270389 | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2436 Registered: 04-2006 |
Must be all the crime. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 3155 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Must be all the crime." Wow. So clueless it's scary. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 742 Registered: 08-2006 |
That didnt take long. | ||
Pinewood73 Member Username: Pinewood73 Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2006 |
30,500 is less than .5% of Michigan's population. You would have thought with all of the jobs being lost that it would have been worse. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1213 Registered: 09-2007 |
Pinewood73: Well of course, you must factor in the housing industry as well. Many people CAN'T move because they're unable to sell their homes. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2470 Registered: 01-2005 |
Come to Nevada. We're number one!  | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1216 Registered: 09-2007 |
Number one for dry heat that is... | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2472 Registered: 01-2005 |
Well, my birdbath is solid ice right now, so I guess that's dry. | ||
Middetres Member Username: Middetres Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2007 |
Although things may appear bleak now, remember we're surrounded by water. Move to NV, CA, AZ or TX if you want, but you'll come crawling back eventually because you'll have run out of water. | ||
Greatlakes Member Username: Greatlakes Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2007 |
Most people moving there aren't doing it because they want to but because that's where the jobs are... | ||
Plymouthres Member Username: Plymouthres Post Number: 440 Registered: 02-2007 |
Like Phoenix? | ||
Little_buddy Member Username: Little_buddy Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2006 |
Allen Park in the early 70's had 40,000 or so people living there and now about 28,000. No loss of houses so where did 30% of the population go? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4671 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote:Those in their twenties getting past their schooling years obviously are leaving in order to locate employment. After a while, the lack of younger residents will result in much fewer middle-aged people with families. There will be much fewer kids in school. Hundreds of schools will have to close and their teachers fired. And on it'll go. Michigan will eventually become a state mostly for the geriatric crowd. It's inevitable, unless the employment situation is rectified. So far, there isn't much to indicate that it will turn around because the worst is yet to come job-wise. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 140 Registered: 05-2006 |
As Thejesus said the economy will eventually adjust itself until the number of people in the state will come close to the available number of jobs. I do think it will be a tough adjustment and we have not bottomed out. I talk to young people quite a bit and they say that they would like to stay here but the opportunities just aren't there. | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 394 Registered: 04-2004 |
"Those in their twenties getting past their schooling years obviously are leaving in order to locate employment." U of M has been running a spring break internship program for quite awhile where people get to pick and choose what cities they want to work 1 week in. Typically, by participating in the program, it's VERY likely you will be asked back for either a longer internship or in many cases a permanent job at the business they participated with. It's interesting that there have been businesses in other parts of Michigan begging for these interns, yet they turn them down for Chicago, LA, New York , Atlanta, etc. There's jobs open for recent grads in Saginaw and Grand Rapids. Any takers? | ||
Warriorfan Member Username: Warriorfan Post Number: 861 Registered: 08-2005 |
quote: Yeah, who would want heat in the wintertime when you can have four months of grey overcast skies, bitter cold and frost, and roads that are in a constant state of disrepair thanks in large part to the harsh winter treatment? | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1226 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hey, I'll take Plentiful Fresh Water and Gloomy weather anyday over Deadly Desert Heat and Earthquakes. :-P | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6912 Registered: 02-2004 |
HAH! Back in the early 1980s Michigan loss about 20,000 people due to loss of jobs in the automotive market. By the late 1980s it rebound about 180,000 people. Michigan will turn around this state can't have too much of a population loss otherwise not only we loss more seats in the House of Representatives but also it would become a weak spot for foreign invaders. Our state must be filled up and claimed. Granholm will do her best to bring jobs to Michigan just be patient. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1728 Registered: 07-2004 |
Only 30,500? I thought Michigan definitely had more dips than that! ;) | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 317 Registered: 07-2007 |
At least our Macy's stores aren't closing down. Seems times aren't so super in places other than Michigan. http://www.nytimes.com/reuters /business/business-macys-closi ngs.html | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1227 Registered: 09-2007 |
Maybe it's because Macy's is all Michigan has :-) You must go to Somerset for the other stores. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2481 Registered: 01-2005 |
A Las Vegas Review-Journal look at that situation. http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/12 910677.html | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 5863 Registered: 11-2003 |
Allen Park is aging out. Kids grow up and they don't want to live in town. This can be a problem with inner ring suburbs. Livernoisyard tells it like it tis although even if they find employment, they don't return. Without job growth, younger families are not attracted at all. jjaba. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1364 Registered: 11-2003 |
Allen Park just got the new huge mall. Which part of it dont you like, Jjaba? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6914 Registered: 02-2004 |
Lincoln Park, MI. once had a population of 75,000 back in 1960s now it down to 38,000. It's downtown is Ghetto-like, but its neighborhood is still well kept up. Kids for suburban families are growing up and starting to move away because this state can't bring in jobs. Our state leaders need to do something quick for Michigan is living in great recession. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4677 Registered: 10-2004 |
Lincoln Park--an anti-intellectual blue-collar downriver community--is symptomatic of the entire area. I taught there for three years, starting a decade ago. Its dropout rate then soared to over thirty percent, with a significant number of its kids doing the bare minimum, if that. In its high school, several of its course-offering names started with "Basics of." That was a "codespeak" euphemism for just about every special-ed class there. It seemed to me that some 40% (perhaps, higher) of its HS classes were spec-ed during the late 1990s, and the papers rated Lincoln Park just above the worst school districts in their rankings of over 70 districts. It sent the lowest percentage to college of any district except DPS. Yet, the kids there who were enrolled in their excellent JROTC program were the nicest of the lot. Ironically, the elementary schools were so steeped into self-esteem that many teachers there would list over 50% of their "students" to the principal's list, setting them up for later (or current) grade-point inflation. (Message edited by Livernoisyard on December 30, 2007) | ||
Plymouthres Member Username: Plymouthres Post Number: 449 Registered: 02-2007 |
Ly, jjaba, and Danny all make relevant points about AP and LP. I grew up in the 60' and 70's in AP and graduated from the Melvindale/Northern Allen Park school district in the late 70's. I also worked in and around the areas mentioned during that period. Here is my observation of things. I remember the neighborhood directly across from Veteran's Hospital teeming with kids when I was growing up, a product of the Baby Boom/late Baby Boom generation. You couldn't drive down the streets faster than 10 mph for fear of taking out one of them playing curb ball or street hockey.The Recreation Department ran summer programs for kids at the local parks that were outstanding places for kids to gather and enjoy their summer vacations. Now when you drive through that same sub, there is not a soul to be seen. That particular neighborhood has progressively gotten worse through the years and is now almost desolate. It no longer feels like home to me, as it is so diametrically different than it was when I was growing up. Housing values there have plummeted, too. The MNAP school district used to consist of seven elementary schools, a seventh grade school, a middle school and a high school, all packed to the gills and ever-expanding. Now they have one large elementary school, a pre-school , a middle school and a high school. The number of kids is about half what it used to be. The same goes for LP. The area has deteriorated and the majority of the problems stem from the area west of Southfield Road which is mostly transient housing, in the form of low-income rental apartments and Section 8 housing. The neighborhoods are indeed gentrified, and, for the most part, pretty well maintained. The lack of employment, as LY points out, is the other main factor for the degradation. With all of the steel plants closing up downriver, and the residual businesses moving out or closing down, what would you expect? Ap proper remains a pretty stable place and kids that grew up there tend to stay there as they remain loyal to their place of birth. Many have come back after moving away because they still desire that affordable-close-to-the-big-ci ty feel. The new mall that has replaced the former VA site is awesome, and the northern end is now thriving much more than I have seen in years due to it's construction. Downtown AP is slowly going through some changes, too, and development along Southfield/Allen Road has made significant differences to the town proper as well. Time will be the major factor in the revitalization of this area, as there are more improvements coming that should help promote the area as a bit more desireable and certainly more affordable than other comparable downriver cities. The next few years may be a time of growth as the affordability of houses may become a factor in growth for them, if the cities are marketed correctly. We shall see. As for LP, I believe that they have a long way to go. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 141 Registered: 05-2006 |
Danny- what scares me is that unlike the 80's the manufacturing jobs especially automotive are leaving the country and not just the state. Our states school system has left us unprepared for the high tech industries. All that's left is the public sector (school districts,federal, city,state, county jobs) and the service industry. Manufacturing jobs are what bought wealth to this state and this state just isn't cost effective anymore. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6920 Registered: 02-2004 |
New you all see the truth about the side effects of U.S. imperialist capitalism. Companies must compete in order to reach the prize. Take the foreign car market for example. When Toyota, Mishubishi, Honda, Hundai, VW, and DaeWoo introduce their fuel efficient cars to the American people, we started to fell in love with their products while we forget about Ford Chrysler and GM and forget about buying American. Now the foreign markets are slowly eating our nation like Pac-Man and soon they are going to own this nation and control our free will and the way to buy whatever products they surplied. Michigan and the Big Three lost the opportunity to introduce cars to Japan, China and Europe and Australia. I hope you all learn the lessons of the global market. |
