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Detroitbill
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:40 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As mentioned earlier its really a no brainer, if you want to support Detroit then you obviously take your business to a place in Detroit if you live there. I very seldom go to Comos for that reason along with the fact that I find their food marginal at best, there are much better alternatives downtown where I live, Pizza included. I don't particularly blame Comos for their decisions but as in anything in life, all decisions have consequences, in my particular case my business stays in the City.
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Iheartthed
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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I can see why you're upset. There is a lot of crime in Huntington Woods, right? The drivers probably never get tipped there, right? It would make perfect sense to blacklist HW.

There are legitimate reasons why they made that business decision to not deliver south of 8 Mile a long time ago.



Pretty broad brush you're painting with buddy. I'd bet that Palmer Woods is either on par or more affluent than Huntington Woods.
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Rax
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:46 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was a hypothetical question Jt1.

Anyway, see you over at the new Shields when it opens. Even though they abandoned Detroit a long time ago, I'm cutting them a break. I wonder if they'll deliver to Dearborn?
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:51 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll happily support Shield's even though they left Detroit years ago. If they have stores that have anti-Detroit policies (I don't think they deliver) then I would question whether to support them or not.

If Comos does open downtown and maintains their 'we don't deliver to Detroit' policy at their other store other comparable places in downtown will get my business.

My dollars will be spent in Detroit so if it goes for a pizza at Buzz over comos it is still the same $$ spent in the city.
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Dialh4hipster
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Perhaps the issue at hand isn't crime per se, but rather police response when a crime occurs?
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Kid_dynamite
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:53 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Pretty broad brush you're painting with buddy."


Well, buddy, bring that up with Como's. Not me.
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Iheartthed
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

"Pretty broad brush you're painting with buddy."


Well, buddy, bring that up with Como's. Not me.



I could care less about Como's. I have never eaten there and probably never will.

I'm also in complete agreement with Jt1 about city residents choosing to support businesses located in the city... or at the very least businesses that value the patronage of city residents. IMO, part of the reason why businesses don't find it compelling enough to locate in the city is because city residents will gleefully run venture outside of city limits to go support the tax base of other communities.

Btw, I targeted you because as a Detroit resident (no?) should know better than that, my friend.
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Aiw
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think Jt1 is spot on. If you happilly support business that don't service your community then you reap what you sow.

There are a few businesses that have packed up and left Windsor in the last few years, only to open in the neighbouring suburb. One such business was called "Anne's on the Avenue", it used to be on Ouellette Ave. just south of downtown. Now the "Avenue" is in a sprawled out strip mall.

I will never patronize those businesses that have willingly left Windsor for the greener pastures of the Suburbs. Will the loss of my business affect them? Probably not, but boycotting them for skipping town is my perogative, just like it is Jt1's.

If more people behaved like Jt1 and voted with their dollars maybe businesses would get the hint.
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Kid_dynamite
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Iheartthed, I should know better than what exactly? I was only saying why they made that decision. That's not my speculation. They have their reasons and I've heard them.
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Iheartthed
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

I can see why you're upset. There is a lot of crime in Huntington Woods, right? The drivers probably never get tipped there, right? It would make perfect sense to blacklist HW.

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Kid_dynamite
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, yeah. I meant every part of that. Bad business over there in Huntington Woods.
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Rax
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's all well and good AIW. But when you live in a city like Detroit, and the choices are limited, you take your business (and money) where you get the best product and the best service. I applaud both you and Jt1 for your stance. It isn't feasible for me personally. I can't speak for the rest of the people on this forum.
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Aiw
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rax, I understand your point, and it is only feasible to a point. I'm not saying to not go to grocery stores.

But there are many examples where you could be selective with where you spend your money, or you can shop where ever you want.

My personal convictions are what they are. Intentionally slighting my city will cost you my business.
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Bobj
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anyone know when or if Angelina's will open
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 2:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Grew up in Palmer Woods and it never even crossed my mind to try and get Como's to deliver just figured they wouldn't. The Hungry Howies on 9 mile used to years ago don't know if they still do haven't ordered from their in a while
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The_ed
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 2:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hungry Howies delivers to Green Acres........
not to me, but my neighbors.
I don't like Hungry Howies pizza.
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Waymooreland
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

These posts have gone way off topic and I hate to contribute to it, but I have to agree with everyone who's said Detroiters should just forget about Como's and support businesses that do operate within city limits.

I live in Detroit and I get pizzas delivered all the time. If someplace doesn't want to deliver to me, well, fuck 'em! I'll take my business elsewhere.
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Sciencefair
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 3:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So...Angelina's?
Anyone?
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Spitty
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 3:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry to threadjack your pizza tales, but it looked like there was framing in place, or partially in place for interior walls when I drove by there last night. It even looked like a slanted decorative partial ceiling was being framed. I haven't been charting the progress, so this could be old news. There was also a pretty bright light on, so maybe there is work being done.
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Bobj
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is slow progress if any
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Waymooreland
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slow is right. I walk by there often on my way to the Y and there does seem to be a bright light on much of the time, but rarely anyone visibly working and it doesn't appear to have changed much over the last few months.
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Spitcoff
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

is this the place that was supposed to be the post for a while and was open during the super bowl?
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Erikd
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes.
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm voting for Angelina's, as there were construction workers in the building today.....not sure if they were working on that particular space or not..........
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Drm
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 10:43 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is still going to open, no date set as of now.
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 11:10 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It IS a very big space - and better to do it right than rush. They have great potential with Music Hall, Opera House, Fox and sports crowds, and amenities that include big windows that open overlooking Grand Circus Park. Chicago has plenty of these "open air" places - glad downtown Detroit might have one soon.
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

My dollars will be spent in Detroit so if it goes for a pizza at Buzz over comos it is still the same $$ spent in the city.



Since Buzz is closed I guess it's neither, now.
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Docmo
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 1:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The construction workers yesterday were installing additional metal wall studs in the Angelina's space. That's the first time in a long time that I've actually seen workers doing anything in there. Nothing happened for months.
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Rax
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Guess someone didn't eat enough 5 dollar pizza buffets at the Buzz. Looks like its Detroit Pizza Factory or bust for Jt1.
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Bobj
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 5:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is the Buzz definitely gone?
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Dabirch
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Definitely.
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Michigansheik
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Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i hear buzz closed not for lack of business but for how some of the business was being done. hopefully someone will buy the liquor license and put something there. hopefully angelinas, sheilds and comos all open soon. the madison building has potential, looks good lit up.
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Gistok
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Getting back to the former Madison Theatre. Back in 1999 some of the Preservation Wayne folks were allowed to visit both the theatre and the office block. From what I remembered about the office block was that there were lots of small rooms at the front of the theatre. So any gutting of that space will likely result in a lot of support beams.

I also remember the theatre before it was demolished. The strangest thing about the Madison was that at the back of the main floor seating was an oval hole in the ceiling that looked up to the 2nd level (with a railing around it).

I can imagine that anyone seated in that back main floor section would easily be disrupted by noise filtering down from the balcony foyer above. Around that 2nd floor foyer were hallways and bathrooms.

Although today we think of theatre auditorium space being separated from foyers and hallways by walls or glass with curtains (a common Rapp & Rapp feature), back in the 1910's and early 1920's there was often no separation between the auditorium and foyer space.

Even the Capitol Theatre (today Detroit Opera House), when it opened in 1922, it had opened drapes separating the auditorium from the foyers on the main floor and the mezzanine level. Only later due to noise considerations (and possibly fire code updates) were solid walls installed at the back of the auditorium in the Capitol Theatre, as well as other theatres nationwide.
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Rax
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No one was talking about the Madison Theater to begin with.

Anyway, I did see workers in the Angelina's space again this morning. Glad there is progress. Great spot for a good restaurant.
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Rsa
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:28 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

gistok; you're thinking of the storefronts along the broadway side o the auditorium. they tapered almost to a point to accomodate the rectangular auditorium with the irregular site. that's where we gained access; along that side thru the old porn shop. all of those were torn down with the auditorium. the office block has fairly regular, widely spaced steel framing.
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not at liberty to discuss details (plus, I don't know any), but there may be a future for the Buzz yet.
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Bobj
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hope Angelina's opens, we could use more activity on GCP

Also, I like the Buzz and the location of it
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Gistok
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Excuse me Rax??

Of course no one was talking about the Madison Theatre, you were to busy participating in the threadjack about Comos, Pleasant Ridge and other off topics... however, as your 2nd post states... Angelina's bistro is located in the former Madison Theatre...

(Message edited by Gistok on December 20, 2007)
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Rax
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Threadjack about Como's? Pleasant Ridge? I started the thread. And like you said the "former" Madison Theater. No one was asking you for a history lesson on something that was demolished over 3 years ago. Like I said, nice to see some progress. Carry on if you must.
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Gistok
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If you don't like history lessons, your on the wrong forum... it's what makes DetroitYES so interesting. Do you think that Lowell's site would get thousands of daily hits based on ad hominem attacks and insipid sniping?

Since you're a relatively new poster, we do carry on on this forum and give history lessons from time to time... go check out the Hall Of Fame Threads... they're chalk full of history lessons! :-)

(Message edited by Gistok on December 20, 2007)
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Rax
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 1:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No need to apologize. What's a "noobie"? Is that some sort of racial, Nubian, slam?
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Gumby
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Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you kidding me? Noobie means you are new, common vernacular for on-line message boards. Don't be an ass and turn this into a racial thing too.
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Rax
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Ahhh, OK. A newbie. My mistake Thanks Gumby.
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Gistok
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Rax, I toned down my response. There's lots of noobies on this forum, also called newbies, and noobs.

I am usually not accustomed to folks not liking history lessons about the old buildings discussed on this forum. More often than not folks appreciate them.
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Gumby
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no prob, I just don't want to see this discussion degrade into yet another racially charged one. And welcome to the forum.
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Rax
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It's cool. Thanks for the welcome. Nice to be here.
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Gistok
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Rax, yeah, welcome... (cough cough cough) :-)

I'm one of about 1/2 dozen forumers (on both side of the Detroit River) who are true historic theatre/movie palace (or theatre organ) buffs.

Whenever a discussion about a former theatre space comes up, you will usually get a longwinded historic background on the particular building.

In the past extensive historic background info on the Adams, Capitol, Michigan, State, Fox, Masonic, Fisher, Music Hall, Orchestra Hall, Gem, Oriental, Hollywood, Grand Riviera and Bonstelle Theatres have been presented on this forum. Often with historic photos included (usually by Krawlspace or 56packman).

The Madison just slipped thru the cracks until now! :-)

A few other items missed on the Madison...
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OPENED: March 17, 1917
OWNER: John Kunsky
ARCHITECT: C. Howard Crane
COST: $500,000
SEATS: 1,806 seats
CLOSED: 1985
MOVIE AT CLOSING: The Dead Zone
DEMOLISHED: 2000
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Note: The Dead Zone was not one of the better movies out in 1985!

Cheers,
Gistok

P.S. When Ossip Gabrielowich (sp?), the famous early 20th century conductor was offered a position with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra, he demanded a new venue be build within a few months in 1919. C. Howard Crane dusted off his 1917 designs for the Madison, and used that design as a prototype for the fancier Orchestra Hall, speedily built within 5 months of the conductors demands.

(Message edited by Gistok on December 20, 2007)
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Rickinatlanta
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Gistok,

I was an usher at The Madison during high school in the late 60's. I still have flashbacks to Woodstock (the movie) and Clint Eastwood SINGING in Paint Your Wagon! I recall even then that once you got behind "the scenes" it was pretty run down. We ushers had to go behind the screen about mid stage and down some stairs to a beat up "dressing room" where we kept our dark trousers and red blazer. There was the managers office under the stairway going up to the balcony. I regret never being able to get back into the theatre but my family moved when I graduated high school in 1970.

I often went around to the Broadway side where there was a deli that had great potato salad for lunch or dinner.

By the way, the history of Detroit, and what's new/changing,is the primary reason I log onto DetroitYes. Thanks for the info you and others provide.

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