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Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:06 am: |    |
Craig, so tell us your refrigerator story.
Professorscott, dunno know about Dexter bus and streetcars except that was the bus jjaba was going to drive when he got older. Dexter was a narrow lane back then and the bus was huge for the space. Dexter "Blvd." was not wide enough for a streetcar really.
Fredgarvin #69 is a classic post. Frame that one.
jjaba, smelling the bread on his way to Briggs Stadium with girlfriend, walking from Cass Tech. in Springtime. |
Detroitrise
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Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:13 am: | |
Wonder Bread is a mass production company, so of course their mass production bakeries should be called factories. |
Ray1936
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Post Number: 2284
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 1:39 pm: | |
I dunno, gang, I always liked Wonder Bread. That and Silvercup. Like that kind of bread today for sandwiches. My wife calls them "gumball bread" because you end up with a gumball in your mouth when you chew it.
However, there's a deli out here that sells the best Jewish rye bread you ever tasted, and I must agree, THAT'S real bread. |
Jams
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 6:15 pm: | |
No way, Silvercup was the last of the "grocery store" bakers that still had those irregular holes that proved it was REAL bread.
Although, Dad was a driver for Taystee at the time they changed the formula to compete with Wonderbread, we all hate that cakey consistency.
Dad traded loaves with the Sivercup driver, and that was the only "grocery-store" bread we ever had in the house, since we mostly had bread from the local family-owned bakeries.
Mom even knows what time Delray Bakery in Southgate bakes what bread, in order, to get it right out of the oven.
Nothing better than fresh-baked bread, and never will a loaf of Wonderbread ever get past my door. |
Craig
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 11:29 pm: | |
jjaba - that was a gentle prod to retire the "strikes/balls" bit |
Ed_golick
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Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 10:28 am: | |
I used to eat Tip-Top bread because Ricky the Clown told me to.
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Bushay
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Post Number: 94
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| | Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 2:19 pm: | |
I have a beautiful picture of the old Wagner Baking co. that used to hang in my fathers office there for years and but I'm unable to shrink it size so I can post it here. . He retire from there and I work for Sara Lee, formally Taystee bread, who purchased Taystee some 5 odd years ago. |
Bushay
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Post Number: 95
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| | Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 2:28 pm: | |
Here we go. |
Bushay
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Post Number: 96
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 3:35 pm: | |
"Professorscott, dunno know about Dexter bus and streetcars except that was the bus jjaba was going to drive when he got older. Dexter was a narrow lane back then and the bus was huge for the space. Dexter "Blvd." was not wide enough for a streetcar really."
As many posts as I've read from Jjaba here and personal emails...I'm getting a vivid vision of Jjaba sitting in the big chair, big oversized wheel in hand, with his Jackie Gleason hat on yelling thru the intercom.... NEXT STOP! GRAND RIVER! ding ding ding ding ding!••••••
Anyone else??? |
Jjaba
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Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 8:32 pm: | |
Bushay knows it, he remembers the clang of the coins, flipped into the fare box. jjaba can announce stops like none other, reciting the transfers at each intersection, along the Grand Rvier electrics.
"Forest-Warren, change for the Crosstown to Wayne Univeristy and for those with courage to head to Eastside."
"Ginger Ale Highway, change here for VERNOR."
"End of the line, change here at Manchester Yards for the Woodward PCC cars, North and Southbound." (on the Oakman streetcar)
Ray1936, name where you get that fresh Jewish rye in Las Vegas. Are they Detroiters?
jjaba. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:31 pm: | |
Wow! That was too real.
Do you still own the Jackie Gleason hat and trousers?
AS Jjaba knows, I just got back from Vegas, Stopped at the Carnagie Deli one late night at the Mirage because the Buffet was closed. Had an inkling for a good corned beef. One sandwich no chips, and cold Bud light and a piece of cheescake to go, plus a 20% tip and I was out $36. It was a good sandwich I had to eat with a knife and fork but nothing I couldnt have gotten at the Bread Basket at 10 and a half and Southfield for under $15. |
Ray
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
Some history on Wonder Bread from their website:
The Taggart Baking Company of Indianapolis was planning to launch its 1.5 pound loaf of bread. But first, the new product needed a name and identity. Vice President Elmer Cline was charged with merchandising development of the new bread loaf.
Inspiration struck while Elmer was visiting the International Balloon Race at the Indianapolis Speedway. He was awestruck by a sky filled with hundreds of colorful balloons. To Elmer, the image signified a sense of “wonder,” and Wonder® Bread was born. Since that time, the colorful red, blue and yellow balloons have been the cornerstone of Wonder Bread’s logo and package.
In 1925, the Continental Baking Company bought the Indianapolis bakery and Wonder Bread soon became a national brand.
The Continental Baking Company altered the course of bread forever in the 1930s when it introduced sliced Wonder Bread. Sales were slow at first as suspicious consumers were reluctant to accept a pre-sliced bread, but convenience overruled apprehension and soon everyone wanted sliced Wonder Bread on their dinner table.
During the ‘40s, Americans were forced to tighten their belts and the Continental Baking Company did its part to support the war effort. Metals become so precious that the blades for the bread-slicing machines are no longer available. Unsliced bread is again sold on grocery store shelves.
Several advances in the nutrition and baking process were made during this decade. In 1941, Wonder Bread was involved in a government-supported move to enrich white bread with vitamins and minerals to improve nutrition. Known as the “quiet miracle,” bread enrichment nearly eliminated the diseases Beriberi and Pellagra and brought essential nutrients to people who previously could not afford nutritious foods. At the same time Wonder introduced a revolutionary new way of baking that eliminated holes in bread.
The ‘70s ushered in an era of providing the consumer with nutritional information. Wonder Bread adopted an open-dating system on bread products and introduced nutrition information labels, clearly informing consumers about freshness dates and product ingredients.
In 1986, a new reduced-calorie Wonder Bread was launched. Wonder Light remains as one of the company’s strong sellers.
In 1995, Interstate Brands Corporation acquired the Continental Baking Company, and the “Remember the Wonder” ad campaign reminded consumers that Wonder Bread, one of the nation’s softest, freshest, most fun bread products, is also nutritious.
In honor of Wonder Bread’s 80th birthday, the Wonder Bread hot air balloon begins touring the country in the summer of 2001. Flying at balloon festivals and spreading the story of how Wonder Bread earned its name, the balloon brings back childhood lunchbox memories to people from coast to coast and reminds everyone why Wonder Bread is their favorite. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 8:40 am: | |
"Known as the “quiet miracle,” bread enrichment nearly eliminated the diseases Beriberi and Pellagra and brought essential nutrients to people who previously could not afford nutritious foods. At the same time Wonder introduced a revolutionary new way of baking that eliminated holes in bread."
Interesting.
While a mixer myself years ago at Taystee, the "holes in the bread" were caused by the individual who greased up the dough troughs. After a finished dough was kicked out into a trough and then dropped into a chute on a lower floor to be divided into individual loafs, the more grease that was sprayed into the trough...the easier it slid out of the trough and into the chute. When a large build up of trough grease was mixed with the dough and then cut and divided, the heat from the ovens would evaporate the grease, thus forming air pockets in the middle of a loaf of bread.
Holes in bread are in every loaf of bread produced in a large factory. Even today. Wonder Bread is no exception. |
Jjaba
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Post Number: 5639
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:08 am: | |
Excellent posts from Bushay and Ray. Now we know about Wonder Bread.
Perhaps somebody from Wisconsin can tell us why there are holes in the Swiss Cheese when the Limburger needs the ventilation.
To settle the conversation of a bread factory, jjaba remembers the place as the Wonder Bread Bakery. A facotry is where you bend metal.
jjaba, Westside Memories. |
Fredgarvin
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| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:29 am: | |
Professorscot (sounds like a Rocky Horror character, if I didn't know better), I am not one of the famous U of D gang using the Fred Garvin moniker, however I applaud them for their creativity. Not many people know that name today. A friend and I still us it to this day when calling each other at work, having each other paged, etc.
Jjaba, thanks for the kudos on post #69. Just trying to remember the good things about those times. Now, if you're lucky, you're making another kinda "bread" at that location. |
Gingellgirl
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Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:51 am: | |
From Wikipedia:
Wonder bread is known to several generations of youngsters as being very highly compressible. It is commonly recommended in the treatment of pica, in which small inedible objects are swallowed by a child or dog, and there is some concern that the intestinal tract might be punctured or blocked as a result. The highly compressible bread can form a soft lump around the object(s) in question, allowing it to pass safely. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 11:18 pm: | |
Posts like this....will do nothing to help the lidigation involved in the current Wonder Bread Bankrupcy case they have been involved in for the past 3-4 years.
I rest my case!
[Said one of it's competitors]
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Bushay
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Post Number: 101
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 11:20 pm: | |
And on that note how about a big hu raw! for Bushay on his 100 posts. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 11:46 pm: | |
Congrats Bushay! Wow... it took you 2 1/2 years to get to 100 posts!
Don't tell that to Ccbatson or Detroitrise/Urbanize... they're burning thru the bandwidth in less than a year... |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 5:48 am: | |
Well, I guess some of us go thru life at a different pace. Sorta taking time to stop and smell the roses. |
Cub
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:53 pm: | |
Hu Raw! Bushay! |
Bushay
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Post Number: 103
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 4:48 pm: | |
You got one coming as well Cub. 8 more to go! |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 6:28 pm: | |
Booyah Bushay on 100. Call jjaba when you get to 1,000 and join the centurians. jjaba awards prizes if he catches the landmark.
Back to the subject. Does anybody know what effect the Motor City Casino has on the Carl's Chophouse business? jjaba recalls when Carl Rosenblum stood at the door and greeted his customers. Is he still with us or is he gone to the great chophouse in the sky?
jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor who had his graduation parties there. |
The_rock
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:06 am: | |
I believe that Carl has passed away and that Carl's and Mario's have been under the same ownership by a GP resident for several years now. Can't recall the chap's name now ( Italian name, Frank Pasaquala?) He runs Carl's and his son runs Marios.
I can remember when Carl's was thriving.Carl used to hang up his award ribbons when he "purchased his steaks" at the Michigan State Fair, his large lobster tank, and the wonderful aroma of the bread from the Wonderbread Bakery as you waited in the parking lot after a fine dinner for your cab to take you up Grand River to Olympia to see the Wings. Sometimes we even walked.
jjaba knows that area like no one else in town. |
Kathleen
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:32 am: | |
That would be Frank Passalacqua.
Came up with this item from a Boston Globe article dated August 5, 2007 in which they discussed Carl's Chop House and the effect of the casino on it and the neighborhood:
"...At 8:30 p.m. the same day as Betty McNeil sat in front of the slot machine, Carl's Chop House, a wood-paneled Detroit institution known for its steaks and prime rib, was empty, with no cars in its valet parking lot and only a half-dozen employees inside the 1,000-seat restaurant.
The 87-year-old restaurant is across the street from MotorCity Casino, which houses Iridescence, where Bud Lights arrive in cone-shaped glasses, Porterhouse steaks go for $64, and Chardonnay jelly is served before the main course to cleanse the palate.
"They don't help anyone but themselves," said Frank Passalacqua, owner of Carl's Chop House. "They don't care about us."
Crime in Detroit has not seen the surge that casino opponents predicted. Downtown, where the three casinos are located, the number of serious crimes such as homicide, rape, robbery, and assault dropped 22 percent, from 3,027 in 2001 to 2,345 in 2004, according to a study by Wayne State University's College of Urban, Labor, and Metropolitan Affairs. ..."
Source: http://www.boston.com/news/nat ion/articles/2007/08/05/detroi t_betting_heavily_on_casinos/? page=1 (see page 3 of the article) |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 2:08 pm: | |
If jjaba wins at the tables, he'll make a beeline for Carl's. Thanks to The Rock and Kathleen for the information about Carl's Chophouse, and excuse jjaba for threadjacking from Wonder Bread. That was sorry news about Carl's but glad it is still in business.
The Rock walking in a foot of snow to see his Production Line at Olympia is amazing, given that Grand River Electric buses were schlepping Eastsiders to there about every 3 minutes out of Capitol Park. He musta been walking off a huge Porterhouse Steak. Good going, Rock.
jjaba, appreciating The Rock's kind words. |
Papermoon
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| | Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 4:45 pm: | |
The Rock's post brings back wonderful memories of Carl's, lobster tank, blue ribbons and all. A family favorite for Sunday dinner. I remember, too, the enormous lazy susan loaded with appetizers; cinnamon apple rings, creamed herring, pickles and other goodies.
We didn't care much for Wonder Bread, though. We used to roll it into balls and bait hooks with it to fish for catfish in the creek. It worked, too! |
J_stone
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| | Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
Bushay - I just got back from Carnegie Deli at the Mirage too. My vacation mates had been talking up the place for months prior to leaving. They talked about how huge the portions were. I had breakfast. Ordered the corn beef hash.
It was horrible! I mean it was really bad. (Canned hash would have been 10 times better) It was just a huge plate of mediocre corn beef and pastrami, a little green pepper, and raw potatoes. I think they actually used oil too, so I had an orange grease puddle at the bottom. (as if the meat isn't fatty enough) My bagel was fair, but mainly the cream cheese was whipped and not that really hard, dense stuff. It had no flavor.
Somebody got the BLT. The bacon was the poor quality (like Tony's in Birch Run) type, no flavor and looked like it was deep fried. To top it off, she had to order a side of pickles.
J_Stone isn't Jewish, but he knows a good Jewish Deli. J_Stone was a cook at Ember's Deli for over 5 years and learned the proper way to eat and prepare good deli fare.
My bill was over $20 Bucks.
Carnegie Deli is a sham! (love the Mirage though)
BTW - What is the best Jewish Deli in Metro Detroit? (Ember's is now a Parisian) |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:07 pm: | |
The Stage Deli Restaurant on Orchard Lake Rd. or the Bread Basket on Greenfield near Lincoln Rd. are good starters. The takeout joint at 12 Mile and Southfield is quite good. (Jerry's?)
Don't trust that crap pastrami The Carnegie sells at Costcos. It is the same crap that was packed by Best Meats, a few yrs. ago.
If you want good Carnegie Deli, go to the source on 7th Ave. and 55th in NYC.
BTW, how can a guy with one deli build such a beautiful hall across the street? Imagine that in Detroit.
jjaba. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 4:23 pm: | |
Your leaving out a very good, quality Deli Jjaba with Corned Beef that ranks right up there with the best in town. And that is Zingermans deli in Ann Arbor. I'm a regular at the Bread Basket on Greenfield and never been to the Stage Deli on Orchard Lake. But the BEST Corned beef I've ever had was at Zingermans. If you go by quantity, I'd pick the BB, if your talking quality....hands down it's Zingermans. My 3rd choice would have to be the Onion Roll Deli on Woodward. All are very good. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 4:47 pm: | |
... wiping the drool off my keyboard...
Yes Bread Basket does win in the "quantity" department... it usually takes me what seems like forever to completely digest a "United Meat Sandwich"... Corned Beef, Pastrami, Swiss Cheese and Russian Dressing on an Onion Roll.. with the meat stacked about 2 1/2 inches deep on the onion roll... I always have the urge to take a nap after eating on of these...
Haven't been to the Carnegie on 7th & 55th, but went to nearby Wolf's Deli... another yummy 1000 calorie sandwich... |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 8:13 pm: | |
Bushay, would that be one of your Sara Lee Onion Rolls or local Zingerman's?
jjaba can't argue. Zingerman's is quality in all ways.
jjaba on the Diag. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 8:29 pm: | |
Local all the way. Sara's buns could never compete with Ari's on premise bakery buns. |
Bushay
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 8:37 pm: | |
Gistok-
The first time I ever went to the Bread Basket was before a U of M football game many years ago. Ate one half on the ride to AA. Ate another 1/4 on the way home. And woke up the next morning and ate the last 1/4. A day and a half of food on one sandwich. And worth every penny. |
Stromberg2
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 12:46 pm: | |
Where is the love for Ephs? Pastrami with Russian on a chewy seedless rye? I wonder where they get there supplies from?
Stromberg2 |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 1:52 pm: | |
Nobody in the world does rye bread, twice baked, like a Detroit Jewish Deli. Nobody!
The smell, the taste, the crusts.
That's why Zingerman's is a cut below, to use a pastrami metaphor.
Actually, a real deli sandwich is on rye, never a bagel or roll. A bagel is for cream cheese and a slice of lox. jjaba doesn't know what an onion roll goes with, never tried it.
Bushay's car food is a classic post.
Recently, on a trip from Chicago, jjaba stopped at Zingerman's with son. We split a pastrami on rye, cut in two, coming in on M-14.
Recently for the Oregon Ducks game in the Big House,we parked near Zingerman's, having the blintzas for breakfast and a cb on rye for the road home. What a day after The Rock's tailgate party and Ira Jaffee's tailgate tent experiences.
jjaba, on the Westside. |
The_rock
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 2:48 pm: | |
jjaba, they are still talking about you here. Other than the results of that football game, it was truly a fine day in AA.
And the way you talked yourself out of that traffic ticket on M-14 is a credit to your kibitizing with the only Jewish State cop in Washtenaw county. |
Jrvass
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 6:19 pm: | |
jjaba,
An onion roll is for a cheeseburger. Try it toasted. |
Jjaba
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2007 - 10:02 pm: | |
Jrvass, classic post. You tell it like it tis.
The Rock is correct. As soon as jjaba saw the Yarmula tucked under the patrolman's cap, and his curled sidelocks, he knew the 20 MPH infraction would be waived. Just greet the officer with a Shalom, Ira Jaffee sent me, and you are on your way. It helps if you tell a Jewish cop you are racing for shul and you're the 10th man for the minyon.
jjaba, Westside Bar Mitzvah Bukkor. |
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