Flybydon Member Username: Flybydon
Post Number: 192 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:20 pm: | |
For the inquiring minds. Views looking north.
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Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider
Post Number: 671 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:26 pm: | |
the term neighborhood doesnt seem to apply anymore! |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 146 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:32 pm: | |
Development is coming for our area around late 2008-2009 from what I saw. I really can't give out too much info but I already saw the blue prints and drawings. If I can get a copy of it I will most definitely post it up if it fits. The new housing that will be built is beautiful. Trust me, there will be no suburban style housing in this area. Not trying to take away from the wonderful pics, but I love my neighborhood. |
Flybydon Member Username: Flybydon
Post Number: 194 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:37 pm: | |
Hopefully this will all happen after the closure of the incinerator. The smell could be a detrimental selling factor when the wind is from the west. |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:41 pm: | |
The smell is terrible, but somehow I'm immune to it now after all these years. When I leave to head downtown the smell seems to be on my nose still. I can't wait to see it torn down. |
Diehard Member Username: Diehard
Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:45 pm: | |
Wow, that's a LOT of vacant land. |
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox
Post Number: 348 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 4:56 pm: | |
The commercial strip along Chene has a lot of potential, I think. It's the kind of old-school neighborhood downtown that was torn down and replaced with strip malls in too many parts of the city. A few really nice businesses along there could do wonders for the area. And there's no shortage of potential parking spots. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3940 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 5:31 pm: | |
So, so sad. Thanks, Flybydon. 3420, keep us updated. I'm intrigued. Another prairie frontier where some new detached home development is underway is in the triangle formed by Vernor, Mt. Elliot, and Gratiot. Both areas need so much work. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 5:51 pm: | |
how many times have you had your shit stolen over there 3420? Just asking because thats my old stomping grounds. |
Elimarr Member Username: Elimarr
Post Number: 31 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
Dan & Vi's, on Chene by I-94, is where I liked to pick up the *best* submarine sandwiches in Detroit (IMO anyway.) I know they did business under that name for about 30 years and I think the building is still standing, isn't it? So much around there is knocked down from when I remember it. |
Soulhawk Member Username: Soulhawk
Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:20 pm: | |
Dan and Vi's is still open; I bought a sub there today. What is to become of the Carpethouse when all this development happens? |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 8:17 am: | |
I never have had anything stolen since being over here. I know a lot of neighbors and we look out for each other. Dan & Vi's is my spot for lunch and have some of the best bbq popcorn chicken. But development for the area is coming. It may not seem like no one is look at it but they are. There are two groups I know of who are building homes and apartments. One drawing looks like those brownstones off the Cosby Show and the rest were all brick homes. But they will do justice for our neighborhood. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3950 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 10:29 am: | |
Cool. I don't think you'll get the Crosswinds and Detroit Urban Living type developments for awhile, but if initial developments work out (i.e. sell), the neighborhood could be built up more and more. It is a fairly central neighborhood with great access to midtown and downtown. |
Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12
Post Number: 196 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:22 pm: | |
Drove down Chene yesterday and the strip of stores between Ferry and 94, just made me wonder what it looked like back in the day with all stores operational. I think the only stores open now are the Party Store on Ferry/Chene and then the one at the service drive. |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:29 pm: | |
That's why I love this neighborhood. You have a lot of of bus lines in the area. Also great access to New Center as well. |
Chuckjav Member Username: Chuckjav
Post Number: 302 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:40 pm: | |
Is old Northeastern High School still standing? NE was a really cool school. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:45 pm: | |
yea, Dan and Vi's is the shiznit. Best subs in the world. Love the tiny burnt pepperoni's on the pies also. Glad you never got took 3420. (Message edited by iaintgotnostyle on November 08, 2007) |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:47 pm: | |
Northeastern has been torn down since the lae 70s |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1325 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
chuck; was that on e.warren between grandy and mitchell? if so, it's been demolished. i know that the DPS has that tract of land and, as of 6 years ago, was planning on developing it into a new NE high school. however since funding and enrolment have continued to go down the toilet those plans have been shelved. i wouldn't be surprised if we see the city sell off that parcel to a developer. 3420; you'll be happy to know that a portion of the development has been fast tracked. we may even see shovels in the ground by springtime. it's too early for me to share much more, but when i can i'll let you know. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:51 pm: | |
Northeastern was on Warren and Chene |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1326 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 1:12 pm: | |
where perrien park is now? |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 1:27 pm: | |
Rsa, I wanted to know is that was true or not. Because the development we saw was the land from 94 east all the way to the eastern market. But I can't say much now either. But we shall keep the forum updated. Do you stay in the area Rsa? Also, Northeastern was torn down in the 90's. |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1327 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 1:36 pm: | |
i'm just south of you 3420, in lafayette park. feel free to shoot me an email if you want to chat about it more: rockstarchitect@aol.com |
3420 Member Username: 3420
Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 3:03 pm: | |
Ok. I sure will. I'm in the boulevard area. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3957 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 5:33 pm: | |
Rsa, why would developers be tight-lipped about a major development? The only reason I can see is that they are trying to get their homes built before another similar planned development by a competing firm is implemented. To have infill in this neighborhood and infill on the far east side would really tie up loose ends on the lower east side well. |
Edziu Member Username: Edziu
Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 6:06 pm: | |
Anyone recall a neighborhood bar by the name of "JAK TAM"? I believe it was on the corner of Farnsworth and Grandy, a couple blocks east of Chene. A vacant lot now but it was a great place to go in the sixties and seventies. Ice cold Altes on tap in a boombah glass for a quarter. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 489 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
Yes, I just find that magic in the Inner Inner city neighborhoods immediately outside of downtown (like you would find in Philly, New York, Chicago, or someplace). It has a lot of potential for sure. (Message edited by DetroitRise on November 08, 2007) |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1328 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:03 am: | |
curb those conspiracy theories mackinaw. i'm not the developer, so it is not my place to make any announcements nor reveal any details before they have. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3962 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:16 am: | |
I wasn't calling on you to spill the beans. You help us out enough with all the info you bring to the forum, which I appreciate. I was just wondering why the developer has shared very little about something that could begin soon. |
Rsa Member Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1330 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 10:33 am: | |
thanks mackinaw. i'm sure that the developer is concerned primarily with making sure that it happens before announcing any details. there was an article in model D a year ago about the master plan: http://www.modeldmedia.com/dev elopmentnews/marsq64.aspx |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 541 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:27 am: | |
One thing I hope is that these homes and business will be built back with their former style and density. I don't want suburban style development along these urban density-zoned street. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:50 am: | |
Not to rain on anyone's parade here but, is there a master plan to bring people back to the old hood and employ them somehow? Or is this just another wasted master plan where the homes will be boarded up after a couple of years. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 11:57 am: | |
"One thing I hope is that these homes and business will be built back with their former style" Impossible. |
Waz Member Username: Waz
Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:16 pm: | |
Speaking of plans, I recall a few years back that a group called the Black Farmers or something similar was going to start doing business at the Chene-Ferry market again. I haven't seen or heard anything since. Anyone have info? |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 549 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:32 pm: | |
"Impossible." Not impossible. Much of the development will have to have at least medium density because of the way the area it's zoned and designed (this means back alley garages). |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 128 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:33 pm: | |
Let me add to the above before you guys think Im being an ass. It will be impossible to rebuild this neighborhood to its former glory for the following reasons: 1) too expensive 2) the people and aura are gone On the positive side, they can rebuild it to a new glory but for the old timers like me, it will never be the same. I wish them luck though. |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:34 pm: | |
I hope that kinda cleared things up. I didn;'t want to sound like I was downing the project. I really do wissh my old home a new life. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 550 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 12:40 pm: | |
http://www.modeldmedia.com/dev elopmentnews/michave64.aspx You're saying that they can't help to revive the neighborhood like in the link above? |
Iaintgotnostyle Member Username: Iaintgotnostyle
Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 1:13 pm: | |
Exactly, that neighborhood is just too far off to revitalize to its former glory. It would be way to expensive to build from scratch whats in the pic. Most of the old stores along chene are long gone. The few shells that are left are too far gone to bring back to what they used to be. But a new life is certainly lurking about for it. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3966 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 09, 2007 - 1:59 pm: | |
Guys, read the link Rsa posted closely. Indeed it is impossible to recreate what used to be there; modern craftsmanship and efficiency concerns in homebuilding will not permit it. (On the other hand, my impression of the historic housing stock on the near-east side in the belt between 94 and Vernor is that it is some of the more simplistic, not-so-well constructed old housing in the city. There are mostly simple wood frame houses that didn't age as well as brick laws in other neighborhoods). However, according to the link, they plan on building out the neighborhood with a type of density that matches or exceeds what was there before. The finished product won't look like what used to be there, but the best we can hope for is that spatially and in terms of basic design the new development mimics traditional rubrics. I always read ModelD but either missed or forgot that, so thanks for posting it. |