  Cman710 Member Username: Cman710 Post Number: 375 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi everyone, My friend is doing some research and has been trying to locate the wall that the federal government built in the 1940s to separate black and white areas. I have been trying to help her locate where it is on a map based on the information at this site: http://detroit1701.com/Black-W hiteWall.htm I have been able to find Mendota and Birchwood on the map, but cannot find a Van Antwerp Park, nor an Alfonso Wells Memorial Playground. Have their names changed? Do they even any longer exist? Any help would be greatly appreciated! | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 321 Registered: 06-2005 |
It's highlighted on my Google map. It's dangling off of Eight Mile. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms ?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=1129 29214237117665492.000439b56147 c2adf4e75&z=12&om=1 | ||
Cman710 Member Username: Cman710 Post Number: 376 Registered: 07-2006 |
Thanks! | ||
Gazhekwe Member Username: Gazhekwe Post Number: 800 Registered: 08-2007 |
Great site. Look at this, pure evidence of US public policy providing privilege for the majority. Completely unrecognized by the recipients of the privilege of course: "He began his development but was dismayed to find out that the Federal Housing Administration would not back up any mortgages since the Home Owners Loan Corporation coded the area in red." | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10443 Registered: 10-2003 |
You guys are all lying. There always has been and will always be a fir playing field. If there were ever any inequities in wealth creation, distribution and opportunities a family should be able to make up for it within one generation or they are lazy or stupid. To say that whites have any advantages is ludicrous as we all know that white, male christians are at the biggest disadvantage in this country. | ||
Xd_brklyn Member Username: Xd_brklyn Post Number: 322 Registered: 10-2003 |
Cool map. A few places like Marvin Gaye's former home is new to me. You've got quite a project on your hands if you continue to fill out that map with all the places in Detroit like Tom's Tavern or James Jamerson's former home. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2374 Registered: 06-2006 |
Jt1: Most whites have plenty of advantages. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody who won't acknowledge this. The problem is that efforts in recent years that purport to want to "level the playing field" have done nothing more than take the rights that disadvantaged whites shared with disadvantaged minorities and give them exclusively to disadvantaged minorities, while advantaged whites remain in the same position they were in before. This does not solve any of society's problems. It just moves a different group of people to the back of the bus and leaves them without any means to improve themselves. This is why anyone who really wants a fair solution to this issue advocates SES-based AA rather than race-based AA. And really, that's all we did in MI last year...we got rid of race-based AA and forced our public universities to employ the fairer system of SES-based AA so that people no longer slip through the cracks of the system solely because of their race. | ||
Rooms222 Member Username: Rooms222 Post Number: 56 Registered: 04-2005 |
The Feds also required a similar wall in Miami to divide the Coconut Grove area in the 40's..... Page 72 of this book discussed the Detroit,Miami and Atlanta wall (built in 1962) and how the Detroit and Miami walls were built at the urging of the FHA!••••http://books.google.com/books? id=f9ARfEA0nLoC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA 72&dq=coconut+grove+wall+segre gation&source=web&ots=wdAu5Sy3 vE&sig=61x_qdriA4x1onuBrQB1FFR kcKU Slide 12 of this presentation has a picture (Warning- This presentation shows racial stereotypes and evidence of continued segregation in Miami). http://www.slideshare.net/carl osgonzalezsf/map-of-the-federa tion-of-imagination/ Finally, here is an 1897 home by a Bahamian who build over 100 homes in the area for blacks during the segregated era. It is in the same street bordering the wall. It is a beautiful format for writing up a historic property. http://www.historicpreservationmiami.com/pdfs/ewf%20stirrup%20hse.pdf (Message edited by rooms222 on October 10, 2007) | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1172 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is this the same as the "wailing wall?" If so, I thought that the developer actually built it without any pressure from the government. The Darden or Sugrue books explain it. | ||
Rooms222 Member Username: Rooms222 Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2005 |
The book above says that it was at the "urging" of the FHA which refused to provide mortgage insurance without it, but that the developer agreed. (Message edited by rooms222 on October 10, 2007) | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5137 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: C'mon Jt1....we all know that that is the truth. All we want is something for nothing in light of the harmonious history and all-inclusive prosperity and opportunity that was evenly shared with the American populace. You know that we want nothing more than to redistribute wealth and live off welfare... | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2377 Registered: 06-2006 |
DS: See my post 2374 above | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 324 Registered: 06-2005 |
quote: James Jamerson's home? Where?  I'm not sure how much more I'll put in to this version. I'd prefer a web app pulling data from my own database. | ||
Soulhawk Member Username: Soulhawk Post Number: 319 Registered: 04-2004 |
Cool map fishtoes. Thanks for reading my United Sound article! | ||
30th_street Member Username: 30th_street Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2006 |
Does anyone have any information on the African American families that originally settled in the area before the wall was built. | ||
Cinderpath Member Username: Cinderpath Post Number: 190 Registered: 05-2006 |
Awesome Map- Thanks for posting! I was also wondering as I wanted to do photography along here. Thanx! | ||
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr Post Number: 123 Registered: 06-2007 |
hey 30th, did you live on 30th?? | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 326 Registered: 06-2005 |
Thanks to Detroit Yes! for helping learn about and locate these items through the years. The Birwood wall is definitely worth the trip. |
