  Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2162 Registered: 06-2006 |
Even though they really aren't supposed to... http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20070920/NEW S06/709200357&&imw=Y | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6548 Registered: 02-2004 |
KING KWAME want those 3 caSINos open for revenue sharing in Detroit. If the Michigan Legislature partially shuts down, the caSINo will close,too. Not to mention, reduce grants to all public charter schools and colleges and universities. Some state police depts. will be closed and fewer governments offices from the FIA to Secretary of the State. Plus the political reputation of all Michigan State House and Senate members will be ruined as older incumbents who would run again for the house and senate will be turn down by citizens. So the budget proposal MUST pass right away or else it would be political act of WAR! In the Star Wars Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith. Queen Padme made this quote, " SO THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY ENDS, WITH A THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!" HEIL GRANHOLM! | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2607 Registered: 10-2003 |
Danny, only a Sith deals in absolutes. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10184 Registered: 10-2003 |
That would lead me to believe that most Michigan politicians are siths. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1658 Registered: 04-2006 |
Actually, that was Detroit who said that, not the casinos. I really doubt they continue to operate in a state shutdown. When the state of New Jersey shut down last year, the Atlantic City casinos were immediately shut down. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6549 Registered: 02-2004 |
If this war started to loom this would be the result: !!ATTENTION!! Our peaceful governor Gen. Granholm wants you to take part in act of political civil war against the Michigan Republican Legislative House. She is asking all Democrats to take up arms and be ready. When the neo-cons shut the our government. Be prepared for their troops, let's flush our the republicans from their house, torture their families and take their banners. We don't need them anymore. They are not welcomed in our Great Lakes State. Fight our right of governmental solidarity and we shall restore this great state of Michigan back to perfect democratic union run by democrats and controlled by democrats. VICTORY, VICTORY VICTORY!! HEIL GRANHOLM! | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1477 Registered: 07-2005 |
Danny, you failed to post a copy of Granholm's speech this morning: quote: | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6554 Registered: 02-2004 |
Quozl This is just one of the imaginative propaganda posters on every Michigan cities filled a brief information of the Granholm Reich. HEIL GRANHOLM FOR OUR FATHERLAND. Let's abolish the Republicans. It's political system should be wipe out from the face of Earth. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2608 Registered: 10-2003 |
Cheese n' rice. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1478 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yummy. Make it extra sharp Cheddar, skip the Velveeta. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2610 Registered: 10-2003 |
Danzig vs. The Misfits: The Misfits really created an interesting niche genre by combining b-movie sci-fi and horror with sloppily played punk rock music. Glenn Danzig headed up the band as a sort of "evil elvis", crooning out songs about zombies from space coming to eat your brains, and such. After the Misfits, he formed Samhain, which was sort of a crappy version of the Misfits, and then moved on to his real solo project, Danzig. He would tell people that The Misfits were an embarassment, and he had moved on past that childish nonsense, yet now he sang about demons from hell coming to eat your brain instead of zombies from space. But with John Christ on guitar, the early Danzig albums were pretty good, a sort of evil blues metal, with vocals borrowed from Jim Morrison. (especially on Danzig II: Lucifuge). All in all, it's hard to beat the fun and uniqueness of the Misfits. The suckier: Danzig. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1479 Registered: 07-2005 |
I am impressed JL. I will continue in the same vein in a minute. This just in from AP: quote: (Message edited by quozl on September 20, 2007) | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 764 Registered: 12-2006 |
Are the Republicans going to have to walk around with an R emblem on their outerwear? Tres weird. How did we get from casinos to talking about the Michireich? | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1480 Registered: 07-2005 |
Motley Crue vs. Creed: Maggoty, fake-devil rock made by low rent scumbags vs. earnest, God-rock made by too-too-serious sensitive new age guys. On the surface, it looks like you've got to pick Motley Crue, because rock is supposed to be about rebellion and fun. But on the other hand . . . rock is also supposed to be about passion and sincerity and being true to your own vision and beliefs. Do any of you really think that Motley Crue believes in (or even understands) the devil-oriented fare they use in their artwork and lyrics? They looked at how Black Sabbath and Kiss used such imagery (better), and they made a calculating choice to incorporate it, soullessly, into their own work. At least Creed can claim some strength of conviction, and when you're singing along to their songs, you can at least know that they believe what they're saying. With Motley Crue, when you sing along you know it's because they chose those words and images because they were designed to piss off your parents in the quickest and most obvious ways, thereby helping you feel rebellious, even as your money went from your pockets to theirs. Creed represent the pinnacle of how the sanitized, strip-malled modern music industry puts the mediocre atop the commercial pile, but they are the beneficiaries of that system, not the perpetrators. Motley Crue, on the other hand, represent everything that's bad about spoiled rich people acting obnoxiously in the most cliched, pointless and obvious ways imaginable. And I, for one, demand some imagination from the spoiled rich people I support. The suckier: Motley Crue | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1481 Registered: 07-2005 |
quote:Please direct that question to Danny. Thanks. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 3316 Registered: 12-2005 |
What's the cost/benefit ratio to the state of casino operation? I have to believe the state receives more revenue from the casinos than it costs. If that's true then closing the casinos is exactly the opposite of what should be done. Closing the casinos because of state budget problems defies common sense. Maybe this is just an idle threat to be used as some bargaining chip? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2613 Registered: 10-2003 |
The Sex Pistols vs. The Clash: Pioneers of punk rock in England, both bands spit and snarled their way into music history. The problem with the Sex Pistols, is that they are no more genuine than the corporate-built crap-rock of the late 70's and early 80's. Assembled by Malcolm McLaren, after a visit to New York, where he saw the punk-rock scene emerging, for the sole purpose of selling clothing in his King's Road boutique "SEX", the Sex Pistols were little more than a marketing strategy. Yet the fans who adored them believed punk rock to be about rebellion and anti-establishment themes. The iconic punk rock figure Sid Vicious was hardly a musician at all. He rarely showed up to practice, and when he did, they'd have been better of without him. Despite their reckless personas, McLaren was, in fact, insistent the band stay away from drugs and trouble (rules Vicious often broke), as the band was his investment, and he could not afford such problems. The Clash, on the other hand, were true to their music and their message. Joe Strummer's lyrics spoke to higher concepts, such as racial inequality and social justice. Their music itself was also far deeper, blending punk rock with Jamaican music that was sweeping through English clubs at the time, such as reggae, ska, and dub. The suckier: The Sex Pistols, by far. | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 766 Registered: 12-2006 |
Jimaz, If the state shuts down, it shuts down, and only certain kinds of people (such as the state police) are able to work. The question is not one of which parts of the government are revenue-positive vs. which parts are revenue-negative. On the whole, the state government right now is spending vastly more than it is taking in. It's not an idle threat; it's happened in other states. The casinos aren't supposed to operate if the state regulatory agency or agencies which oversee them aren't operating. Having said that, Kwame will get away with what he proposes. Let's say the state shuts down, and the casinos open anyhow. Who's going to do anything about that? What, call the police? Nobody will do anything, and Kwame knows that, and he's right. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1483 Registered: 07-2005 |
I agree JL, The Sex Pistols were suckier, though I liked the song Submission. I would like to battle a few LP's as opposed to outright bands. The Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd vs. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles: There's certainly no arguing the titanic influence of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: it made the album an art form in and of itself, as opposed to having be little more than a compilation of singles with some fluff to round out the running time, it introduced the lyric sheet to the world, making what singers say nearly as important as how they said it, it was arguably the first "concept album" of thematically linked songs telling a story, it was a masterpiece of packaging and marketing. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was the Citizen Kane of music. Like Citizen Kane, though, it changed everything that came after it so fundamentally, that when you go back to the source with modern eyes, you often find yourself wondering "What was the big deal?" Citizen Kane doesn't look that radical now, since it altered the way we look at film. And Sgt. Pepper doesn't sound that radical now, since it altered the way we listen to albums. A concept album like The Dark Side of the Moon never could have existed without the Beatles having blazed the trail with Sgt. Pepper. So that means I have to pick Sgt. Pepper here, right? No, not necessarily. Let's take a more reductive view of origins vs outcomes: The Jazz Singer was the first movie released with sound embedded on its film, as opposed to sound being provided by in theater musicians. The first feature film to use three-strip color was Becky Sharp. Does that make The Jazz Singer the greatest "talkie" ever and Becky Sharp the greatest color film ever? No. Pioneers are important, but they aren't necessarily the pinnacle of their craft, and more often than not, probably aren't. And I think that's the case in this contest: The Dark Side of the Moon owes a great debt to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, but its scope, its execution, its material and its overall, lasting effect strikes me as greater and more powerful than its precursor. Winner: The Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2615 Registered: 10-2003 |
Interesting, not sure I agree completely. Let's take a similar look. The Beatles - Let It Be vs. Pink Floyd - The Final Cut Both albums are the dying gasps of two great bands. Let it be was a disaster from beginning, with the band opting to leave the comfort of the Abbey Road studios to record an album in a film studio, where they would capture their processes, release it as a video, and play a concert in some novel manner at the end after not playing in public for years. During the recording of the album, the Beatles started to fall apart. Arguments became more and more common, and Lennon was more interested in spending time with Yoko (who incidentally was in the studio with them at every session John was) than coming to record. Considered by many the Beatles' worst album, it was not released until after their actual last album, Abbey Road, and only after Phil Spector laid a bunch of crappy orchestra tracks over the album. Likewise, The Final Cut was the undoing of Pink Floyd. At this point in Floyd, after the success of The Wall, Waters' ego was become too large to be contained. The back of the album even says ""The Final Cut: A Requiem for the Post-War Dream - by Roger Waters, performed by Pink Floyd". The album also does not feature Rick Wright, as he was fired during the recording of "The Wall". The album was the worst selling Pink Floyd album in 12 years, and is really no more than Waters continuing the whining he started on The Wall about losing his father in the war. After the album, the only to not be supported by a tour, Waters was so caught up with himself and his solo work, he refused to return his bands calls. Frustrated by it, the band reassembled on their own to release the pile of feces called "A Momentary Lapse of Reason". Waters was so angry, it was the end of Pink Floyd's at the world had known them. The suckier: The Final Cut | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1487 Registered: 07-2005 |
Geezus John, I agree with that, the Final Cut was suckier and all cut outs of that LP should have been molded into Frisbee's. | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 1488 Registered: 07-2005 |
Baby One More Time, Britney Spears vs. Greatest Hits, 1974-1978, Steve Miller Band Steve Miller gave us the Pompatus of Love. Britney gave us the Pudenda of Tease. Miller was a joker, a smoker and a midnight toker. Britney is a faker, a shaker, and a midnight mistaker. Miller sang about taking the money and running. Britney did it. The suckier: Baby One More Time | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 767 Registered: 12-2006 |
"Baby One More Time" is beyond sucky. It actually broadens our understanding of the term. When she sang "Oops, I Did it Again" was she being intentionally ironic? No, there's no possibility of that. As much as I'm not a Steve Miller fan, my God, there's no comparison. All the equipment that was used to press the "Baby One More Time" CDs should be buried in that mountain that's supposed to hold the nuclear reactor waste. I had originally planned to refer to that album as a pile of dung, but then an actual pile of dung called me on the telephone and requested I not compare it to that album. I'm not sure how this works into a casino thread but what the hell. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 2618 Registered: 10-2003 |
Greatest Hits, Wesley Willis vs. Hell-O, Gwar Willis' Greatest Hits is one "Fit Throwing Hell Ride" you don't want to miss. With schizophrenia-induced ramblings such as "The Chicken Cow", "Kris Kringle Was a Car Thief" and "I Wupped Batman's Ass", this album will have you scratching your head wondering what just happened for days. Hell-O is the first and best Album by art school dropouts Gwar. If "I'm In Love With A Dead Dog" and "Slutman City" don't sound like songs you'd like to hear, you should stay far away from this album. Gwar spouts out various nonsense about being space barbarians and killing people in unpleasant ways with a more punk than metal sound and total disregard for production quality. The winner: Hard to say, they are both genius. (Message edited by johnlodge on September 20, 2007) | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 3319 Registered: 12-2005 |
Professorscott, thanks for the clear explanation but I'm afraid this indiscriminate reaction by the state to its budget problem still seems counterproductive to me. Oh well. If the casinos close, I'll be the guy in the back alley running the dice game.  | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 107 Registered: 05-2007 |
interesting thread... people with way to much time on their hands creating amusing political speeches posted side by side with music artist/album battles. I think we were originally talking about the casinos staying open during a government shutdown. wtf?? lol | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 768 Registered: 12-2006 |
I tried asking that too, Rap, but it didn't get me anywhere so I joined in the music 1/2 of the discussion. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5377 Registered: 08-2004 |
Threadjacking run rampant..... It would be interesting for KK to defy the state and keep the casinos open though... would make for interesting theatre. Can't you picture him posting Detroit police officers in front of each casino to prevent the state from closing them. | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 108 Registered: 05-2007 |
Maybe he can uses his Red Hummer to block the parking garage when the state vehicles try to pull in. | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 290 Registered: 06-2005 |
State parks would close as well yet they get zero tax payer funding. |
