  Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 501 Registered: 04-2005 |
From what I heard from a reliable source the scaffolding around the Broderick tower is there to protect people underneath from falling debris from the building especially on windy days from falling glass If this is such a safety issue why doesn't the city take any action against the owner to fix the windows before someone gets hurt or killed or is the scaffolding just going to sit there for years ??? | ||
Hudkina Member Username: Hudkina Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2004 |
lol. Scaffolding is there to protect people from falling debris, but only because the building is being renovated. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 116 Registered: 07-2007 |
so that means financing occurred and eventual rehab of the Brod? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2073 Registered: 06-2006 |
^doubtful..plus the parking issue has yet to be resolved | ||
Leland_palmer Member Username: Leland_palmer Post Number: 371 Registered: 08-2004 |
My first thought when I saw it was that it was there to protect people from falling debris. I think renovation is still a long ways off. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5309 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thejesus, weren't they negotiating for space in the East Grand Circus Park Garage? I always thought that the site of the former Madison Theatre auditorium (behind the still standing Madison office block, and currently an empty parcel) would have made a great location for Broderick tenant parking with 1st floor retail, and with an "L" shaped skyway over the back alley connecting the parking to the tower. | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 389 Registered: 11-2003 |
Gistok, you need to think more logical. Parking is not a problem for Broderick Tower. For those who want details on Broderick Tower, please stay tuned. Renovation has been in the works for about 1-2 years and is in the works. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5311 Registered: 08-2004 |
So what you're saying is it'll be the underground structure.... | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 1265 Registered: 10-2003 |
gistok; that lot is for eureka building tenant parking right now. future plans for that site call for a 6 story loft building. the preliminary work for it has been done, but i don't know how long it's going to stay shelved. | ||
Skamour14 Member Username: Skamour14 Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2005 |
I wonder when are they going to put in a subway that would be viable to the city???? I just came back from Chicago a couple weeks ago and man do I wish that we had it like they got it there!!!! the people mugger isnt doing us any servie really. | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 118 Registered: 02-2006 |
^^ "People Mugger"? - what does that mean? | ||
Hockey_player Member Username: Hockey_player Post Number: 353 Registered: 10-2003 |
Quote: "Gistok, you need to think more logical. Parking is not a problem for Broderick Tower. For those who want details on Broderick Tower, please stay tuned. Renovation has been in the works for about 1-2 years and is in the works" Really? That seems to be the case eternally, as is the case with all of Higgins' properties. To quote you, from 20 months ago: "Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2003 Posted From: 63.171.81.135 Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 3:12 pm: Stay tuned to www.brodericktower.com for information about leasing etc. in the future. The project is still in it's early stages. JCBeal announced that the project will probably start toward the end of 2006 which is correct." It's correct? It doesn't seem so because we're nearly at the end of 2007 and they haven't done shit with it. Is there some reason you keep making excuses and fabrications about Higgins' continued neglect? | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5315 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for the info Hockey_player... now Rjlj... who is it that needs to think more logical??? | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 90 Registered: 05-2007 |
I read somewhere that the tacky sign on the side of the Brod was being used to raise revenue for the renovation. if they aren't planning on renovating, peel that sh*t off the side and let me look at the whales while I sit in Comerica park. that verizon billboard looks sooo trashy! Should remove the Pontiac/chevy sign on Cadillac Tower as well. The Yserman mural barely saw the light of day before it was covered over with that crap. No wonder Detroit's art scene is allegedly dying. They cover up all the good stuff with sheets of advertisement. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5318 Registered: 08-2004 |
Raptor56, You may not have seen some of Hornwreckers pics of downtown in the 1920's where the entire downtown is covered in billboards and signs painted on the sides of buildings. If you can picture the signage in NYC Times Square, then you have something of an idea of what Detroit was like in the 1920's... signage everywhere, with no artwork. I have a feeling that with the resurgence of downtown, we are going to see a resurgence of lots of commercial painted building walls and more billboards. Unless of course the city government puts greater restrictions on it. | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2007 |
I've seen old pics of Detroit and all of the various signage which covered the skyline. My gripe isn't so much the sign itself (although I could do without it), but the fact it covers a painting that added considerable uniqueness to the city. | ||
Dabirch Member Username: Dabirch Post Number: 2395 Registered: 06-2004 |
Hockey_player -- were you actually able to get the search function to work? If you have the magic touch, I would love to find the thread in non-detroit forums regarding 39_ford and the highland park yearbook. | ||
Deandub11 Member Username: Deandub11 Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2006 |
meanwhile, i think the guy who painted the whale is from Detroit, but he painted it in other cities. I know it is in chicago, although it is in the process of being covered by a building erected next to the building it is on. | ||
Oliverdouglas Member Username: Oliverdouglas Post Number: 119 Registered: 02-2006 |
Whales are a Weyland theme - he paints whales (among other things). THIS whale is not in Chicago or anywhere else. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 269 Registered: 08-2006 |
Raptor: Somehow I doubt that the cause of the alleged death of our art scene is the result of two murals being covered up downtown. Especially when you consider that Wyland's whales are in other cities, and that the Cadillac Square mural was always an advertisement, it just incorporated our local sports icons. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 123 Registered: 07-2007 |
C'mon Gistock, put your logical hat on! There are plenty of places to put 250+ cars for this building. Think of all the places available at sporting events available for 20.00 | ||
Rjlj Member Username: Rjlj Post Number: 391 Registered: 11-2003 |
Riiight Lefty2. 150-200 are all that are needed and they are there for the taking, and just 30 meters away. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 898 Registered: 11-2003 |
The Broderick Tower renovation is certainly taking too much time to get going. However, there are experienced development professionals involved in the project, and no doubt the delay relates to obtaining financing. The financing for this project is pretty complex and involves several different kinds of tax credits. Nonetheless, it seems like two years should have been enough time to pull the deal together. Bureaucratic delays always slow down tax credit deals, but not this long. The likely culprit is the size of the developer equity being required by the lender(s) involved. If anybody on here wants to contribute $1 or $2 million, give the Beal group a call. As for the billboard revenues, the developer group claimed to all kinds of folks a few years back that those funds were essential to the feasibility of the project. In other words, those revenues (which exceed $250,000 to date) were going to be applied to all of the early due diligence and soft costs that it can sometimes be hard to find the cash to pay for. One wonders if these funds have actually all been used for pre-development costs or are they being used to fund Lexus leases and vacation home mortgages. In the recent past, ownership of the building owed Wayne County and Detroit a ton of money for delinquent property taxes, and they also owed the DIF, the DDA or some other lender a few hundred grand for a loan from a few years back. If those creditors haven't been paid yet and the development continues to languish, there will be a foreclosure pretty soon given that the building now has a pretty healthy positive cash flow. This is a very important project for the CBD and lower Woodward Ave. Given its proximity and looming presence over Comerica Park and the millions of visitors there, the Broderick Tower is more highly visible to more people than even the Riverwalk developments or the much larger Book Cadillac project. Getting the lights on in this building would really help in generating positive perception in the regions about progress in Detroit. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1886 Registered: 11-2003 |
Agreed 100% Swingline, this is a hugely visible project, and the city should not be too patient with the pace of renovation. The owner certainly has other buildings he could sell to get the cash infusion to move this project forward, if that's the only option. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 170 Registered: 07-2007 |
Friday, June 17, 2005 Detroit whale mural will not be covered Historic commission reverses itself, opts not to let the Broderick Tower owner cover art with ads. By Oralandar Brand-Williams / The Detroit News The humpback whales mural in downtown Detroit has been saved, at least for the time being. The Detroit Historic District Commission has voted 4-2 to reverse its earlier decision to allow the owner of the David Broderick Tower to cover with advertising the 108-foot-high mural, which features the family of whales. Who is the decision maker at the HDC in the Big D | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 100 Registered: 05-2007 |
so when does the Verizon ad disappear? | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 587 Registered: 11-2006 |
that release is over 2 years old. things have changed | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 1272 Registered: 10-2003 |
the HDC is a commission; meaning that the majority of a group makes the decisions. no one person has the power. there was an incident where absentee voted later than the meeting, which changed the outcome of the vote, but it was never "revoked" as stated. and more concessions were made after that vote to result in the commission approving it. remember that it is only approved for five years, after that it reverts back to the whales (unless an extention is approved, of course-but who knows the future). | ||
Rsa Member Username: Rsa Post Number: 1273 Registered: 10-2003 |
the HDC is a commission; meaning that the majority of a group makes the decisions. no one person has the power. there was an incident where absentee voted later than the meeting, which changed the outcome of the vote, but it was never "revoked" as stated. and more concessions were made after that vote to result in the commission approving it. remember that it is only approved for five years, after that it reverts back to the whales (unless an extention is approved, of course-but who knows the future). | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1713 Registered: 10-2006 |
Wouldn't the members of the commission change over time as well, possibly resulting in changing opinions? | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 172 Registered: 07-2007 |
http://detroit.craigslist.org/ trp/415595504.html job available, does this mean they are ready to renovate | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 929 Registered: 11-2004 |
No, it means they're hiring a truck driver. It's not like it this is the only projects the company it working on. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 1940 Registered: 01-2004 |
I think they should move the building | ||
Wolverine Member Username: Wolverine Post Number: 365 Registered: 04-2004 |
to? | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1780 Registered: 10-2006 |
Found this quote in a somewhat unrelated article: "Beal has worked on more than 20 projects totaling more than $20 million in the last decade in the city, and hopes to start a $30 million renovation of the 34-story Broderick Tower in 2008." http://www.mlive.com/business/ index.ssf/2007/09/ann_arbor_ar ea_firms_grow_in_d.html | ||
Billk Member Username: Billk Post Number: 123 Registered: 09-2005 |
That article also says they are rehabbing the Detroit Life Building. | ||
Billk Member Username: Billk Post Number: 124 Registered: 09-2005 |
And speaking of rehabbing, workers put up a new fence around the Moose Lodge. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10340 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Demo fence? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2281 Registered: 06-2006 |
there's been a fence around it....something about the basement extending underneath the sidewalk and the sidewalk caving into it... more noteworthy is all the work that's been done to CC bar...they're well beyond a few 2x4s and some insulation now....can't be good news for those of us hoping for a new hockey arena on that site... | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 920 Registered: 11-2005 |
Thejesus, weren't they negotiating for space in the East Grand Circus Park Garage? The Statler and Hotel Tuller sites are both still empty. If need be, a deck could be built there. I think the big problem is that Ilitch owns all of the parking lots around the Broderick. For more on the Broderick Tower's history, check out www.buildingsofdetroit.com/pla ces/brod - which also has lots of photos of the inside of it. Did you know when it was built, it was called the Eaton Tower? Neat. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 244 Registered: 07-2007 |
It's to keep out all the trespassers from taking photos of Detroit's skyline ;) | ||
1805 Member Username: 1805 Post Number: 72 Registered: 03-2007 |
A parking deck at Grand Circus Park?! "If need be," we can build a Wal Mart in Hart Plaza. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 925 Registered: 11-2005 |
1805, Tearing down the Tuller and Statler would at least go for something. Anything is better than a dirt lot. | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2003 |
Maybe info like this will help in a small way with the Broderick folks' lender negotiations. Home Plate Home: Ballparks attract condos. http://archrecord.construction .com/news/daily/archives/07101 1ballparks.asp While the article does not mention Comerica Park, it does briefly mention possible plans for Michigan and Trumbull. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 438 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hope it works. You would get to hear a lot of crowd noise from up there. I don't know if you can see home plate though. |
