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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 1756
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:11 pm: |    |
I'm not patting myself on the back...I was pointing out a misconception, which was that someone going school must be a college-aged kid living with their parents...what I do really isn't all that hard...I frankly don't understand why more people don't do the same... |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9695
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:13 pm: | |
^^Fair enough and I agree. |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9110
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:14 pm: | |
Message to everyone working toward success in a venture:
IMAGE IS EVERYTHING
Is it any wonder that when selling your home, some have outsiders come in and suggest paint/decor/getting rid of things that will help improve the image and sell the house more quickly/for a higher price?
Or you can just stick a "for sale" sign in the yard and hope for the best.
Otherwise known as "self-righteousness"
(Message edited by karl on August 03, 2007) |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9696
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:18 pm: | |
Karl - Do you want to volunteer for a community improvement project next time you are in town. There are a lot of projects happening in the city that are aimed to imprve the city's image.
There is always plenty of room for volunteers. If you would like I can link you to some good organizations. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 1757
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:19 pm: | |
I retract the "all the time" and will replace it with "as much as Karl or I criticize the decision makers in Detroit.
So How about we focus on your criticism of Livonia eliminating the SMART bus system...you refuse to live there, and yet you criticize the residents who do live there for doing their part to improve the city because you disagree with their tactics...Could this be because you feel that what Livonia does affects us all as a region? Could it be that those of us in the suburbs feel the same way about Detroit?
I have no problem with you offering your input about Livonia, even though you don't live there or spend money there...I encourage open discussion...why cant you do the same, espcially when the input is coming from residents of cities that don't experience the same problems Detroit does? Who knows...you might learn something... |
Spiritofdetroit
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Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 546
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:20 pm: | |
Supersport would replace Ella Bully |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9697
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:26 pm: | |
quote:I retract the "all the time" and will replace it with "as much as Karl or I criticize the decision makers in Detroit.
Still not nearly as much.
I agree that I criticized Livonia and don't live there. Much of my criticism has been aimed at the claim that it is to save money when the money wsa being re-directed largely to internal transporation. Either way you are correct in that regard but my criticism of the suburbs is not 1/20th of Karl's complaints about the city or nearly as much as yours. To have the gall to claim that you are willing to listen to criticisms of Livonia is non-sense. You are much more protective of any comments against Livonia than most here are of Detroit.
I am fine with open discussion to some extent. What upsets me is your constant harping that Detroiters are idiots for who they elect, Karl's claims that citizens of Detroit are doing nothing. You both take a completely arrogant attitude that is dismissive to all of the people that are working to improve the city on a board that is predominately people that are working to improve the city.
My criticism of Livonia is nowhere near the extreme attitudes of yourself and Karl's arrogant, condescending attitude towards Detroiters, good and bad. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 1758
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:29 pm: | |
nah, I'll listen to just about anything and offer my own thoughts on the matter...but I do admit that I get defensive when people refer to my hometown as Hitlervonia and whatnot, and with good reason... |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:31 pm: | |
Hitlervonia, lol. Good one! |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9698
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:32 pm: | |
quote:but I do admit that I get defensive when people refer to my hometown as Hitlervonia and whatnot, and with good reason...
So then I hope that you can appreciate a level of defensiveness when you are making blanket statements that Detroiters are idiots, that Detroiters need to do this or do that with no regard to what many are doing |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9111
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:34 pm: | |
Perhaps another city and its attitudes might be referred to as Jessetroit? |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
^I don't get it.  |
Karl
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Post Number: 9112
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:36 pm: | |
Perhaps I'll let Jt1 explain.... |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 1759
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:37 pm: | |
^I think he's saying Detroiters are liberal and racist like Jesse Jackson |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1288
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:38 pm: | |
But... that doesn't make sense. :-\ |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9113
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:39 pm: | |
But at the same time "Hitlervonia" makes sense? |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9699
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:52 pm: | |
quote: Perhaps I'll let Jt1 explain....
Perhaps you will continue to make ignorant assumptions. I have never and never will support the likes of Jesse Jackson, Farrakhan or Al Sharpton. Of course Karl doesn't really care too much about reality.
Karl - Are you willing to help out with one of the community clean ups? Perhaps the greening of Detroit may be more your style. No money needed (another ignorant Karl assumption), just a willingness to help. |
Focusonthed
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Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1196
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:52 pm: | |
Step 1: remove at-large city council, divide the city into wards, and re-elect. |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1221
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 12:58 pm: | |
I can think of no more appropriate defender of Detroit's suburbs or no one who can more clearly articulate their complaints about Detroit.
"Rip" away, ... dude. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:08 pm: | |
DetroitNerd could be in charge of denying tax credits to companies that have a desire to locate in the D... |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9115
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:14 pm: | |
Jt1, I'm fully occupied in several cities right now. For now you'll have to settle for my written thoughts, and the time it takes to post 'em.
Not enough? Tough. At one time Detroit had my time, efforts and money - along with same from millions of others.
Your turn now. Good luck.
(Message edited by karl on August 03, 2007) |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9702
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:17 pm: | |
As I assumed - all talk, no action.
quote:At one time Detroit had both my time, efforts and money - along with same from millions of others.
And like all those others you are all too willing to tell us what is wrong but unwilling to do anything to help out. But do keep trying with your blathering. |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1222
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:18 pm: | |
That's funny. I thought the job of companies asking for a break was to "earn" tax credits through making promises to stay, provide jobs, etc. |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9117
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:23 pm: | |
Yup - The D got my "action" and now it's your turn, Jt1. Either keep whining from your crib or get to work. Millions of others before you did, and Detroit was a great city. Your turn now. |
Professorscott
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Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 594
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:30 pm: | |
So what I am learning here is that if DYers ran the City, they would spend all their time carping and whining to and about each other and not much time doing anything helpful, at least based on the current discussion taking place in this thread.
So really it wouldn't be all that different than those who are running the City today. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9703
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 1:42 pm: | |
quote:Yup - The D got my "action" and now it's your turn, Jt1. Either keep whining from your crib or get to work.
I highly doubt you ever did anything positive for the city. Just my belief. As usual, when called out you resort to personal attacks with no substance. It must be your ghetto upbringing to always accuse people of whining and being in their crib. |
Jasoncw
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Username: Jasoncw
Post Number: 408
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:04 pm: | |
"So what I am learning here is that if DYers ran the City, they would spend all their time carping and whining to and about each other and not much time doing anything helpful, at least based on the current discussion taking place in this thread.
So really it wouldn't be all that different than those who are running the City today."
I totally agree.
This is one of the most cracked out forums I have ever been to. The threads here either turn into race wars, ideology (urbanity, preservation, social issues) vs. reality wars, political fights, or just plain fights. In between the fighting is mostly rampant speculation, and uninformed discussion.
And just like in real life, there are some great people here, but not enough to make up for the whole.
We can put Danny, Trainman, and Livernoisyard on the council, and we'd get Eeyore shaped buses with some cracked out race program. |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9122
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:09 pm: | |
Sounds like a plan, Jasoncw. I agree.
"This is one of the most cracked out forums I have ever been to"
LOL - you really need to get out more!
Jt1 - feel free to think whaaaaaaatever you please! |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1292
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:11 pm: | |
But at the same time "Hitlervonia" makes sense?
Well.....................
...I just said good one. My point is that if you're gonna make a joke then make it funny. Hitlervonia was funny because... well, you know. Jessetroit isn't funny because... well, other than him being a black man and Detroit being a predominantly black city, what's the connection?
Farratroit... okay, A for effort.
Murdetroit, zing! Get it? Make it funny! Do I have to write your jokes for you? |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 2042
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:17 pm: | |
How about Nevertroit or Denever. We can never get things done right here. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9704
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:25 pm: | |
Karl - Kust using your logic in discussion. Dismiss everyone else's claims and ignore any reality.
You do it all the time. But do carry on with your ghetto name calling. |
Rhymeswithrawk
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Username: Rhymeswithrawk
Post Number: 829
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:34 pm: | |
What If Detroit Y'ers Ran The City?
Rename the Coleman A. Young Municipal Building the ItsJeff Municipal Building. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 2046
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
and Rename The CAY Municipal Airport The ItsJeff Municipal Airport. |
E_hemingway
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Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 1294
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:47 pm: | |
Would Cass Tech become Jjaba Tech? |
Ffdfd
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Username: Ffdfd
Post Number: 128
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 2:54 pm: | |
Has anyone on here run for public office? Jt1, you seem like a passionate advocate for the city and a level-headed, intelligent person. Have you or would you consider running for Council?
Speaking specifically of City Council, I think Detroit gets the members it does because most reasonable people would not want to deal with that job. With Detroit's strong-mayor system of governance, having a one-ninth voice in a room full of looney tunes is just not very appealing. Competent people can make a better living in a more sane work environment. |
Danindc
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Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2946
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:06 pm: | |
I'm still trying to figure out how Karl is going to pay for his programs despite being such an anti-tax, anti-government zealot.
Don't you think that if abandoned buildings, junked cars, and empty lots were a problem, that the free market would take care of it, Karl? |
Quozl
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Username: Quozl
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 3:16 pm: | |
Oh boy, there goes the neighborhood. This thread is now toast.
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Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1223
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 4:26 pm: | |
The free market IS taking care of them, Dan -- by dumping them in the place where the system finds the least resistance. |
Mike
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Username: Mike
Post Number: 958
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, August 03, 2007 - 5:45 pm: | |
fdfdfd- actually, i think the Detroit CC is very well compensated, and there does not seem to be many prior qualifications, heck, you probably dont even need a degree.
like most elections, its a popularity contest. I actually think that it would be nice to see the city better represented by a ward system. |
Trainman
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Username: Trainman
Post Number: 485
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 10:59 am: | |
I would have SMART provide 24/7 bus service to the downtown and the airport with federal and state funds. |
Karl
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Username: Karl
Post Number: 9136
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 11:58 am: | |
Danindc, I would LOWER taxes in Detroit - have sales-tax-free days to encourage trade in the city (more spending/profit/others spending their profits in the city) and get the thing going
Folks are motivated when they see action - look at the buzz on these threads from one building showing progress - Book Cadillac. Imagine if parts of certain neighborhoods were improved - simply and permanently - by grading lots, gravel and get rid of the weeds. Simple and inexpensive. Gotta start somewhere, all you wanna do is throw your more tax/big gov DC cold water crap on things - get your bureaucracy outta the way for progress, however meager it is. |
Trainman
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Username: Trainman
Post Number: 487
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 10:38 am: | |
Karl, the purpose to changing the state constitution is to allow county wide sales taxes. Wayne county has the highest county taxes. The plan is to lower both property and income taxes in Detroit according to regional planners.
If we could make our government more efficient and lower costs with user fees then this could work
Karl, I lowered the cost of government in Livonia but my city council raised my taxes by giving themselves pay raises and ignoring me.
So, please support my cause under DETROIT LINKS and you will lower taxes instead of just posting about it.
Anyone can post about LOWER taxes in Detroit.
But few of us can actually lower taxes in Detroit. I also lowered taxes in Detroit and not just Livonia. |
Spaceboykelly
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Username: Spaceboykelly
Post Number: 247
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 12:10 pm: | |
If Detroit Yesers ran the city it would be like that episode of The Simpsons where Lisa and the other members of Springfield's MENSA chapter turn the place into a ridiculous dystopian from the city park's Gazebo. |
Mcp001
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Username: Mcp001
Post Number: 2901
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 12:43 pm: | |
I don't think so.
From what I've read over the years, there are a lot of people who who have the drive and the know-how to get things done.
And don't for one second feel that these people can't.
I've seen Detroit's CC and I've seen other CC's do their thing. Many of the people in those seats are there for one, and only one, reason only: they cannot do anything else.
Because of this they glob into the local political structure, and figure out that this would be a pretty easy meal ticket (in some cities more than others). Their main ability is that of B.S.'ing others into thinking that they have leadership skills...noting could me more further from the truth. Just look at the amount of petty squabbling that goes on from day to day.
And one last thing: who is is that keeps archiving threads that are only a few days old?
It's getting a little ridiculous to get the gist of the entire thread with having to click onto another link(s). |
Mauser765
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Username: Mauser765
Post Number: 1733
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 2:19 pm: | |
I would flatten the whole damn thing and plant corn. We can all work together tending the fields, and setting up roadside stands to sell the corn. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 2:35 pm: | |
^^^Urbanoutdoors would love that. |
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