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Post Number: 139
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:26 am: |    |
I just noticed, you can't even enter the greektown garage if your not over 21. Not sure if that's enforced though? |
Tiberius
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:49 am: | |
I think you'll find that the persons under 21 will be able to get into the hotel and ballroom without a problem. Many of the above entries are just missinformation |
Cris
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Post Number: 446
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:50 am: | |
He was told by MGM that minors aren't allowed in the ballroom/convention area, then later when he was visiting Motor City's new facilities the person there told him that MGM's hotel would even be off-limits. That's not quite correct, though-- I wasn't sure about the hotel so I called this morning and checked. People under 21 will be able to stay in the MGM hotel, but will not be allowed anywhere else, including the banquet/convention area. Sorry about the confusion there. |
Cris
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Post Number: 447
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| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:53 am: | |
Tiberius-- Minors definitely will NOT be allowed in the convention area at MGM. |
Cris
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Post Number: 448
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:03 am: | |
Mind-Field-- The Ren Cen is definitely the top choice for this. They have a nice selection of banquet facilities and the facility itself is perfect. The riverwalk is beautiful. There's a People Mover station right outside the building. There are plenty of dining options, a few shopping options, and even a movie theater. The only thing that could keep us from holding it there is the availability... another large group is coming into town that same weekend and it is unclear right now whether they will need all of the banquet facilities or if we can be in one of them at the same time. They're working with us right now and, hopefully, it will all work out. We might even change the weekend of our event just to be able to use the Ren Cen.
This tournament was last in Michigan six years ago and all of the out-of-towners were scared of Detroit... so were many of the locals! He wanted to hold it downtown then, but finally collapsed and held it in Ypsilanti instead. If we are able to host it at the Ren Cen this year, all of those people will be so impressed with the city 
(Message edited by cris on July 28, 2007) |
Saintme
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:32 am: | |
Just out of curiousity, what is the tournament for? |
Mind_field
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Username: Mind_field
Post Number: 754
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:07 pm: | |
yep, the ren cen and environs is good for that purpose, Cris. Destroying people's stupid stereotypes of a dangerous, decayed rust belt city. |
Aiw
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Post Number: 6329
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:33 pm: | |
quote:That sucks
Says who? If I wanted to hang out with some little snot nosed brats, I'd have my own. |
Ray
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Post Number: 956
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 3:45 pm: | |
This really makes me mad. I find that the slots in Vegas are as good as free babysitters. I leave our 6 year hold at the progressive machines with a 10 dollar roll of quarters, and he's good for 2 maybe 3 hours. Sometimes, he even comes out ahead. Meanwhile, daddy gets a little R&R. |
Bratt
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Post Number: 565
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 4:56 pm: | |
A few years ago, I hosted an underground railroad tour which ended in Windsor. We had a banquet at the Windsor Casino. One of the reporters wasn't 21 and they wouldn't let him into the ballroom either. Everyone was a bit disturbed by this. But it was the law. |
Broken_main
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Post Number: 1252
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 8:01 pm: | |
Just to add my two cents. I had my wedding reception in a casino ballroom(Sault Ste Marie-Kewadin) and they included tokens to all adults attending. The casino and hotel are separated and made it easy for the our gambling guest get there gamble on. The others just passed on the tokens. I know my best man spent some extra cash in the casino. The tokens was a greta way to lure prospective clients into the casino. The Casino now has 100 more people to lure back just on a wedding reception. |
Jasoncw
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Post Number: 402
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:02 pm: | |
Ray, I hope you're kidding... |
Cheddar_bob
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Post Number: 1095
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:13 pm: | |
Why would he be kidding? It sounds perfectly plausible to me. Hell, you'd be stupid not to take advantage of a cheap babysitter. And you have the chance to make money while you're at it? What other babysitter does that? |
Jimaz
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Post Number: 2758
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:39 pm: | |
He's kidding.
Seriously though, at the age of 6 years old, the kid would only be interested in the pretty colors and sounds. No harm would be done. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1913
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:07 pm: | |
"Seriously though, at the age of 6 years old, the kid would only be interested in the pretty colors and sounds. No harm would be done.
Not all kids. You have the badasses (or as some may call them, misguided children that just need a Time Out and a little parental cooperation) as well, who will just run off and defy any rules given to them. In other words, they will probably disrupt the Gamblers enjoyment and destroy the Casino. |
Cheddar_bob
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:31 pm: | |
I'm under the assumption that kids, by the age of six, should know things like always double down on a 5, never split 10's, and to never raise a 3-way pot when someone's all-in. It's just common sense. |
Urbanize
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Post Number: 1915
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:42 pm: | |
"I'm under the assumption that kids, by the age of six, should know things like always double down on a 5, never split 10's, and to never raise a 3-way pot when someone's all-in. It's just common sense."
The problem is, THEY DON'T HAVE NO ONE'S MONEY TO GAMBLE BUT YOURS. |
Cheddar_bob
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Post Number: 1102
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:00 pm: | |
I think you severely underestimate the buying power of today's pre-pre-teen culture. |
Digitaldom
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Post Number: 654
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:43 pm: | |
Bratt your story is false.. The drinking age in Windsor is 19.. WTF.. get your facts straight please.. we didn't just fall off the boat yesterday.. Gambling is the same.. |
Bratt
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Post Number: 566
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:10 am: | |
Digital...sorry..meant to say under 19. But I can't understand your harshness. It was quite some time ago, but I remember all of the comotion it caused.
So, kiss my ass. |
Urbanize
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Post Number: 1947
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:16 am: | |
^^^Wow, alrighty, we don't want to start a conflict here.
Let's save all the harsh language and comments for the IM's and Chat Rooms. |
Urbanize
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Username: Urbanize
Post Number: 1948
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:17 am: | |
Oh, and I see an "Urbanize, you can kiss my ass too" coming, and I don't want none of tht either. |
Rbdetsport
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Post Number: 346
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:46 am: | |
I thought that MGM was making a seperate entrance in front of the hotel to make hotel-only access? |
Billk
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:07 pm: | |
Tha new MGM Grand casino has put up some signage on the west side of the building that you see driving into downtown on Michigan Ave.
MGM GRAND
CONVENTION CENTER
LINEN DOCK
REFUSE COLLECTION
Wow, what a classy lookin' joint. |
Susanarosa
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Post Number: 1590
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 2:21 pm: | |
quote:Says who? If I wanted to hang out with some little snot nosed brats, I'd have my own.
Amen. |
Danindc
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Post Number: 2914
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 3:25 pm: | |
So, how do we know this is a "design flaw", and not completely intentional???
Maybe MGM doesn't want young'uns creating liability issues for them. |
Cris
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Username: Cris
Post Number: 449
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:18 pm: | |
I'm not sure if some of you are joking, but I hope so. I'm not talking about letting kids run around in a casino. I'm talking about designing the hotel and convention center with an entrance SEPARATE from the casino, so that they don't have to ban all minors from the convention area. I don't care what some of you say, MGM will absolutely lose some of their potential convention/banquet business because they, by state law, will have to strictly limit their convention space to people over 21.
If a group was to rent out space in the convention center--away from the casino-- for a private event that included some people under 21, it certainly doesn't mean the general public in the casino would be hanging out with "snot nosed brats."
I agree, it is entirely possible that MGM designed it this way on purpose because they do not want any minors anywhere in their facility. If that's the case, no, it's not a design flaw. But the convention center could have been a nice asset for the entire city... instead, it is one less option for many, many possible events. Many groups that want to hold events in the city will be forced out to the suburbs or to other cities. People (and money) that would have gone downtown will go somewhere else.
Basically, there are two options for hotel/convention space if the event includes anyone under 21... the Ren Cen or Motor City Casino. The Ren Cen is heavily booked way in advance, and Motor City is outside the CBD. If I'm missing a possible location please let me know because we'll definitely check it out! |
Cris
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Post Number: 450
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:28 pm: | |
Saintme, it's the annual convention for a national martial arts organization. It includes some competitions, award ceremonies, special seminars, planning meetings for the upcoming year, etc. It brings in about 300-400 people. In the last few years it's been held in Philly, Memphis, San Antonio, Tampa... Hopefully next year it will be in Detroit.
Broken-Main, The casino up in Sault Ste Marie does have a really nice setup. The hotel (with pool, spa, etc) is on one end. The middle section has many banquet/convention rooms as well as the gift shop, buffet restaurant, snack bar, etc. The casino is located at the other end. There are separate entrances at the hotel, in the middle(convention)section, and at the casino end. It works out really well and there are no problems with kids going into the casino.
(Message edited by cris on July 31, 2007) |
Ramcharger
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Post Number: 395
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:00 pm: | |
It is common practice for Las Vegas casinos to design their facilities so that people are required to pass through the casino to reach things such as restaurants, theaters, showrooms, or other attractions. Getting people into the casino is the main objective; their reasoning being that once that’s accomplished people will be tempted to drop a few coins into a slot machine. After all, they are in the gaming business. Everything else is superfluous. |
Cris
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Post Number: 451
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:12 am: | |
That is true. But that's Vegas. They have all the convention business they can handle, and endless selection of such facilities. Just as someone mentioned earlier in this thread... this is Detroit. Is it too much to think that a Detroit casino would also consider the city's needs as well as its own profits? (Ha-- yeah, I do know the answer to that.)
Come to think of it, MGM is the only one of the three casinos that's still owned by a Las Vegas corporation, isn't it? |
Broken_main
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Post Number: 1253
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 2:17 am: | |
Cris,
My Father in law works for the casino. It is a amazing how many conventions are being held there. I am schedule to attend a meeting with the Michigan section of the American Water Works and they are expecting a larger than normal crowd. I like the way that they integrated family outings, wives shopping days, a golf outing through the casino and the prices are great. |
Cris
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Username: Cris
Post Number: 452
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:37 am: | |
It really is a nice place. We like to go to their video poker tournaments. They're a great deal when you figure in the hotel room nights, meals, cash and gifts that are included in the package, plus they're so much fun! Last time we were there they were selling domestic beers and well drinks for only 50 cents in the casino. |
Danindc
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Post Number: 2930
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 12:00 pm: | |
The number of bar mitzvahs that would have otherwise been at the MGM Grand is astounding, and the economy of Detroit will be crushed. |
Rbdetsport
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Post Number: 361
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 6:25 am: | |
From the Detnews this morning:
"For its part, MGM Grand boasts its position as Detroit's "first urban casino built from the ground up," complete with a separate entrance and valet parking to allow guests to avoid the smoky casino."
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070802/E NT01/708020356&theme=Biz-Casin os
Looks like there is no "flaw" after all. |
Ramcharger
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Post Number: 427
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 9:18 am: | |
MGM casino to shut for 36 hours to usher in new facility's opening |
6nois
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Post Number: 443
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:14 pm: | |
What I don't get is why the Detroit Casinos are 21+ where as Soaring Eagle and several others in the state are 18+. Windsor is 19+. It seems like a single age would be better everyone, because then you wouldn't have to check everyone would know after # you can go to any casino in the state. I really don't think the whole thing is that big of a deal for MGM. And there is the BC which will open soon. So I wouldn't worry too much about a lack of conference space in the city. |
Cgunn
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| | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2007 - 12:18 pm: | |
Windsor legal age is 19. Soaring Eagle and other casino's are on Indiana reservations so they can make up thier own age in which they allow people to gamble. Detroit are commercial casinos and have to follow state law. |
Fastcarsfreedom
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Post Number: 182
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 11:53 am: | |
I wanted to correct the error regarding Windsor. The legal age is, and has always been 19. When the current complex opened, minors were allowed throughout the building with the exception of the gaming areas. These regulations were slowly changed, mostly to allow a freer flow of regular customers throughout the complex--eventually even the hotel became 19+. This HAS been an issue for the Casino, which is why the expansion will address this--a seperate hotel tower, convention facility and theater whick will be 'all-ages'. |
Mind_field
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 7:07 pm: | |
Hey cris, how about an update as to the location of this convention your husband was organizing? |
Dan_the_man
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 8:54 pm: | |
Cgunn,
I don't believe that it true. The legal age for gambling in Michigan is 18. I think the only reason the Detroit casinos set their age limit at 21 is so they don't have to worry about checking ID for people when they drink. If everyone is old enough to drink, it just becomes a non-issue. |
Gistok
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Post Number: 5194
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 9:06 pm: | |
Sorry, but Cgunn is correct.
My 21 year old niece was able to gamble at Soaring Eagle Casino since she was 18 while going to CMU, but could not go to Casino Windsor until she turned 19, and was not able to go to the 3 Detroit Casinos until this year, after her 21st birthday. |
Cgunn
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Post Number: 86
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 11:41 am: | |
Section 9 of the Gaming Law
http://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/0 ,1607,7-120-1382_1450---,00.ht ml
(9) A person under age 21 shall not be permitted in an area of a casino where gaming is being conducted, except for a person at least 18 years of age who is an employee of the gaming operation. An employee under the age of 21 shall not perform any function involved in gambling by the patrons. A person under age 21 shall not be permitted to make a wager under this act. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:05 pm: | |
Solution: have a national "legal age" (voting, drinking, gambling, etc.) of 20. Reach the magic two-decade mark and you get to do whatever you want. Sounds simple enough to me. |
Cgunn
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:19 pm: | |
^ That just makes too much sense. |
Irish_mafia
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 12:28 pm: | |
"Solution: have a national "legal age" (voting, drinking, gambling, etc.) of 20. Reach the magic two-decade mark and you get to do whatever you want. Sounds simple enough to me".
That only works until you get married. Then you get to do whatever she wants. |
Rooms222
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 1:31 pm: | |
Is the Soaring Eagle 18 because it is under tribal rules and not the state of Michigan? |
Bussey
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 1:41 pm: | |
Survey says,.........YES |
Cris
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| | Posted on Monday, August 27, 2007 - 4:57 pm: | |
Hey Mind-field, thanks for asking. It's not a done deal but is most likely going to be at the Ren Cen. It turned out that the space he wants will be available that weekend, and they wrote up a really nice proposal re. room rates, etc. He recommended the Ren Cen to the top people in the organization (located in Arkansas) and they are supposed to be finalizing the details with Marriott.
The second choice, if the Ren Cen hadn't been available, would have been a place in Sandusky, OH. This really gave us a first hand look at how limited the current facilities are in Detroit, and it's easy to see how Detroit must be losing convention business on a regular basis especially during summer months. I'm glad there are so many new hotel/convention projects in the works downtown. |
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