  The_rock Member Username: The_rock Post Number: 1836 Registered: 11-2003 |
While driving E-bound on I-94 recently, I noticed a new highway sign posted by Chandler Park: Grosse Pointe Communities Next 4 exits I recall a recent thread/posts bringing attention to the fact that the Pointes have tried to hide their whereabouts. Perhaps the comments have borne fruit(?) | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 954 Registered: 10-2003 |
Won't people be surprised when they get off at Harper looking for the club? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3261 Registered: 02-2005 |
Harper/Outer Drive, Cadieux, Moross, Allard, Vernier...seems like it would be 5 exists. This is neither good nor bad. Most metro Detroiters already know where the GPs are. It probably helps out of towners. If they do this they might as well make it clear where the Pointes are. I.e. at the top of the Moross exit should be a sign pointing east saying "GP Farms 1.5 miles" | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 377 Registered: 11-2006 |
New highway signs have been going up all over the state. So I would guess this is just a part of that plan. | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 67 Registered: 03-2005 |
I noticed that sign too last night! I found myself wondering if it could subtly help the property values in the adjoining parts of Detroit. Hey, a gal can dream. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1794 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Harper/Outer Drive, Cadieux, Moross, Allard, Vernier...seems like it would be 5 exists." Let's not forget Outer Drive/Chalmers or the Harper Ave. exit in bet. Cadieux and Chalmers. (Message edited by Urbanize on July 18, 2007) | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3264 Registered: 02-2005 |
The former is kind of pushing it--not really a GP exit; the latter is what I meant by Harper/Outer Drive. Effectively it is Whittier St. (which becomes Outer Drive and then Whittier again in GP Park). This is an eastbound-only exit. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1225 Registered: 12-2006 |
Outer Drive/Chalmers and Harper were both mentioned in the original post. So if I see an influx of cars going by my house, does that mean I have this sign to blame?  | ||
Aoife Member Username: Aoife Post Number: 17 Registered: 04-2007 |
Maybe it is because we are finally getting something worth visiting in Grosse Pointe - a Trader Joe's! The signs are to welcome in the hungry masses from other East Side locals...... | ||
Dan_the_man Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2006 |
I noticed the sign yesterday too, but unless I'm mistaken I think it was located after the Harper ramp which means the 4 exits would be Cadieux, Moross, Allard and Vernier. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3265 Registered: 02-2005 |
Well we'll need to check, because The_rock said it was by Chandler Park. It would be strange if the first Harper/Outer Drive exit wasn't deemed a good way to access GP, as I use that interchange exclusively when I go to 94 to/from home. | ||
Brucek1958 Member Username: Brucek1958 Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2007 |
" Won't people be surprised when they get off at Harper looking for the club? " You mean the Pointe Athletic Club? Isn't that just a left at Whittier and then a little ways down on the left hand side? The sign does come after the Harper exit. I just drove past it 15 minutes ago. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1795 Registered: 02-2007 |
It would be smart coming from the west to Exit at Chalmers, especially if you don't know where you going. Then Keep Mack out through GP until you reach your dest. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4873 Registered: 08-2004 |
When designating freeway entrances/exits, the State Highway Dept. designates only complete (2 entrance/2 exit) locations. Allard (east and westbound exits only), Harper (eastboud exit only), and Whittier (westbound entrance only) do NOT meet the criteria for a regular interchange entrance/exit, so they use "A" or "B" designates. Isn't Moross the 227A exit and Allard the 227B exit? So I assume that the 4 "complete" exits are Chalmers/Outer Drive, Cadieux, Moross and Vernier. The other entrance/exit ramps are just the "B" exits/entrances of the 4 main ones. (Message edited by Gistok on July 18, 2007) | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1579 Registered: 11-2003 |
Urbanize- Did you mean to say "wouldn't"? I made that first mistake driving in way back when to see family in GPP. I chould have taken Cadieux. I saw Chalmers, remembered the C and took the Chalmers/Outer Drive exit. That was an interesting trip. Got to mack or warren (can't remember) and there was a traffic accident with a decent crowd gathering. Plus all the nice homes on Chalmers before you get to Jefferson. It was a very "Welcome to the D" moment, as this was in 2003 and I hadn't been there since I was a little kid in probably 1993. Just a kinda interesting experience. I knew about all the sad stuff I did see, but you kinda expect that isn't really going to be the 1st thing you experience after arriving in the city. It was interesting Outer Drive is a good bet. But if you don't know it. It is easy to turn on Chalmers instead of going past to OD. Whittier works, if I remember correcly, only to get ON I94 westbound, right? You can't exit Whittier E or W, right? | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3270 Registered: 02-2005 |
At Whittier (officially Harper Ave./Outer Dr.) you can exit on 222B from eastbound 94, but cannot enter eastbound 94. You can enter westbound 94 directly off Whittier, but you cannot exit westbound 94 here. Gistok points out why this is not a "complete" exit, but it is still a GP-accessing exit on eastbound 94 so I think it should be labeled as such. I guess the highway commission does not want to confuse visitors and only wants people to exit at places where they can enter to go in any direction later. I bet the merchants around Harper/Whittier really resent this, though. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4877 Registered: 08-2004 |
But Mackinaw, that begs the question... do most folks know that the Harper (222B) exit is not one of the 4 designated exits to get to Grosse Pointe? Unless there's a sign posted at each exit, I bet not. Most folks probably won't do the exit math "counts" like we do! | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3276 Registered: 02-2005 |
Only if the "next 4 exits" sign indeed comes east of Harper/Whittier. I think I've used the Allard exit twice in my life. Really random place to have a full interchange. Three exits in one mile there. This whole idea of GP being pointed out on the freeway still has my world upside down haha. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4879 Registered: 08-2004 |
We'll have to see what other new area signage there is... Is there one on I-75 that points to Clawson? Is there one on I-696 that points to Pleasant Ridge or Ferndale or Berkeley or Bingham Farms or Franklin? Etc.... | ||
Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 231 Registered: 01-2004 |
I think the only exit that actually touches a Grosse Pointe is Allard Rd. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3279 Registered: 02-2005 |
Yes, I believe a slice of GP Woods extends to the Ford Service Dr. That's the only part of GP that lies outside of Mack Ave. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4882 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes, GP Woods extends a couple of blocks north of Mack, and then there's that one street (can't remember which one) that is like a finger that goes all the way up to the I-94 Service Dr. It literally cuts that part of Harper Woods in half. | ||
Mbr Member Username: Mbr Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2005 |
Van Antwerp is the name of the street | ||
Dan_the_man Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 16 Registered: 07-2006 |
The sign is located after you pass the Harper exit on the freeway, so it would appear that the state doesn't consider that to be a Grosse Pointe exit. Also that leaves only Cadieux, Moross, Allard and Vernier as the 4 exits, so whether or not they're complete interchanges or not, the state considers them to be Grosse Pointe exits. Also, not to start an argument or anything Gistok, but I always thought that when an exit had an "A" or "B" designation that it was because there was just more than one exit within the area marked by that mile number. Since you can't have more than one exit with the same number on it they just added the A and B. I believe there is one area in downtown Chicago that the exits go all the way to G or H within the course of a mile. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4888 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dan, you are probably correct. I was "assuming"... and we all knows what that leads to. But I was under the impression (from other posters) that the first occurence of that sign was near the Chandler Park Golf Course, which would then include the Chalmers/Outer Dr. and Harper exits. If there is no signage until after the Harper exit, then it sort of leaves out Grosse Pointe Park, which would logically require a Chalmers/Outer Dr. or a Harper (Whittier) exit. Now the 227A and 227B westbound I-94 exits.... would Allard be the westbound A or B Exit? Logically I guess it would be the B exit, so that would mean that you get the westbound B exit before the westbound A exit. Now your comments beg the question... would the Whittier Ave. entrance to westboud I-94 have a number? Or are numbers only assigned to exits? Well one thing for sure.... you'll never seen an A or B exit on I-696 in Farmington Hills or Novi!! | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3287 Registered: 02-2005 |
The entrance from Whittier to 94W does not have a number, as there is no WB exit. Indeed, only exits are numbered. I guess GP Park won out! They get to remain hidden and unknown to freeway travelers. And I will continue to use the beautifully uncrowded Harper/Whittier exit. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4889 Registered: 08-2004 |
OK I drove from SCS to Dearborn and back on I-94 today (on an errand, and not for this thread!), and I checked out every exit from I-696 to Michigan Ave. Yes, entrances are not numbered/lettered. Only exits are. And they are uniquely identified based on the nearby mile markers. It looks like the criteria is this... when 2 exits fall somewhat equidistant between a mile marker (and each is within 1/2 mile of that marker), they use the A & B formula for the before and after exits. Moross/Allard are 224A/224B. Chalmers/Harper are 222A/222B Frontenac/Conner are 220A/220B I-75 Interchange/Russell are 216A/216B Lodge/Woodward are 215A/215B/215C Etc... Interestingly enough is there is only one "C" exit on I-94 in Detroit. The Lodge (M-10) southbound exit is called Exit 215A, the Lodge northbound exit is called Exit 215B (remember the Lodge is the rare freeway interchange exception that has left and right hand exits forking off at the same point, but in different directions). And the Woodward exit nearby is called Exit 215C. It's ironic... the things that we take for granted and see every day, but don't really notice or don't take the time out to think of the rhyme and reason behind why certain things are the way they are! | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 5466 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are I-94 numbers by miles from Indiana line? Looks like it. jjaba is working on another sign but will have to secure funding. "Welcome to Grosse Pointes. We don't wear socks in summertime with our dress shoes. Adore the ladies in summer backless sun dresses. Iced tea and mint julips next exit." It's all good. Thanks Rock for the directions to the mansion. jjaba is amazed how much he doesn't know about anything Eastside. All those streets mentioned could have been in Clevland for all he knows. jjaba, Westsider. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 2713 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote:That's the way it usually works. From Interstate Highway System: quote: (Message edited by Jimaz on July 21, 2007) | ||
Mcwalbucksnfitch Member Username: Mcwalbucksnfitch Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2006 |
On that note, the westbound sign is located right before the Vernier exit. I thought it was kind of misleading using "Grosse Pointe Communities", considering each of the 5 Grosse Pointes are cities. Perhaps using Grosse Pointes would have been more correct. What would also be interesting is if the distinguished which exit lead to which city, i.e. Vernier and Allard GP Woods, Moross GP Farms and Cadieux GP. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3307 Registered: 02-2005 |
I was thinking alot of the same things. "Communities" makes it sound like a retirement village...Grosse Pointe Farms would be phase III. It's a descriptor word rather than the correct terminology. Oh well. | ||
Rooms222 Member Username: Rooms222 Post Number: 18 Registered: 04-2005 |
To answer one of the questions posed: there has always been a stand-alone sign on I-75 north for Clawson | ||
Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 234 Registered: 01-2004 |
Grosse Pointe Shores is a village, not a city, that is part of Grosse Pointe Township in Wayne and Lake Township in Macomb. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3312 Registered: 02-2005 |
Only because it doesn't meet population requirements. There is still a full docket of city services so the township designations are pretty worthless. | ||
Dan_the_man Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 17 Registered: 07-2006 |
Another interesting fact is that Grosse Pointe Shores has no commercial properties in it. The entire village is residential. | ||
Taj920 Member Username: Taj920 Post Number: 235 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dan_the_man: The Grosse Pointe Yacht Club, even though it's private, is commercial. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3323 Registered: 02-2005 |
That's true, as it has restaurant operations and such, but Dan's point is correct about the Village basically being single-use. | ||
Dan_the_man Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2006 |
Alright, I did miss that one, but I don't think theres anything else. Also, coming back from Roseville yesterday I noticed that there is also a Grosse Pointe Communities sign on west bound 94 shortly before the Vernier exit. | ||
Prokopowicz Member Username: Prokopowicz Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2005 |
There aren't even any churches or schools in the Shores; only single family homes, plus the yacht club and the municipal buildings. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1249 Registered: 12-2006 |
Wrong about the schools. Ferry Elementary is located in the Shores, unless I'm putting the border in the wrong place. | ||
Dan_the_man Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2006 |
Ferry is listed as GPW on the GP Schools website, and that sounds right to me. | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1251 Registered: 12-2006 |
Ok. Wasn't exactly sure about that. | ||
Mcwalbucksnfitch Member Username: Mcwalbucksnfitch Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2006 |
GP North is ALMOST in the shores | ||
Higgs1634 Member Username: Higgs1634 Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2005 |
The most important question is; will the signage need correction when Harper Woods becomes Grosse Pointe Heights? | ||
Drm Member Username: Drm Post Number: 1119 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote:GPS has enough population to incorporate as a city under The Home Rule City Act. 2,000 population is required and GPS had 2,823 according to the 2000 Census. Does anyone know the real reason why it hasn't? | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 490 Registered: 08-2006 |
From that freeway link it says that I375 is the shortest Interstate in the system(signed) |
