  Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1782 Registered: 11-2003 |
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007 0710/REG/70710001/-1/newslette r05 excerpt: quote: | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9532 Registered: 10-2003 |
Anyone know what is stated in the 2004 contract? | ||
Crew Member Username: Crew Post Number: 1317 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jack Ruckdeschel will appeal the ruling. The relationship between the DMC and Karmanos is in worse shape than the one between DMC and WSU. | ||
Dialh4hipster Member Username: Dialh4hipster Post Number: 2112 Registered: 11-2004 |
Something along the lines of "you can't move." But in legalese. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 718 Registered: 10-2006 |
Very interesting developments.... I see endless appeals in your future. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1784 Registered: 11-2003 |
...and the lower eastside gets stuck with a vacant hospital building. I wonder if there is any chance of a settlement or buyout from the contract so Karmanos can still move? | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1115 Registered: 04-2006 |
Not only another vacant building, but loss of a hospital that served a segment of the population that really needed it. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1658 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Not only another vacant building, but loss of a hospital that served a segment of the population that really needed it." The Problem was, it served the population poorly, just like Holy Cross. The Eastsiders are better off going to the Cottages in Grosse Pointe, the Henry Fords in Warren and New Center area, DMC or the Medical Center on Moross. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9534 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Easier said than done when you have little or no transportation or are facing a medical emergency. St. John has completely turned their backs on their core mission. If I were faced with needing specialized medical services and my options are St. John's or going out of state I would go out of state. Their attitude and deceptive business in this matter is sickening. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 858 Registered: 01-2005 |
"St. John has completely turned their backs on their core mission." What is St. John's core mission? Is the word "Detroit" in it? Isn't St. John's still running a huge hospital in Detroit? | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 529 Registered: 12-2006 |
Since you asked: "St. John Health, as a Catholic health ministry, is committed to providing spiritually centered, holistic care which sustains and improves the health of individuals in the communities we serve, with special attention to the poor and vulnerable." That is what their mission is, according to their own web site. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4785 Registered: 08-2004 |
St. John is building a $180 million addition to their Detroit Medical Center... hardly sounds like they're abandoning Detroit. Yeah, I know, first Saratoga Hospital, then Holy Cross and now Riverview. But it's more a sign of the problems with health care for the indigent than St. John abandoning the poor. Too bad Beaumont and Crittendon get away with a free ride... Crittendon was once even located in Detroit... but you don't hear people bitching about them? | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1662 Registered: 02-2007 |
Actually, St. John still owns and operates Saratoga to be frank, it's just a one of their Psychiatric Hospitals now and they even offer a Emergency Service again (for any illness). Also, they're a lot of St. John affiliated clinics in Saratoga as well. (Message edited by Urbanize on July 10, 2007) | ||
Reetz12 Member Username: Reetz12 Post Number: 182 Registered: 09-2005 |
Heard this rumor that St. John with its new North Pavilion addition at the moross complex sitting on Grosse Pointe property, would change their mailing address to read grosse pointe...if this were to happen, or could it happen....what impact would it have on Detroit? | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 932 Registered: 11-2006 |
Festering along in a malignant relationship until a definitive answer in which the DMC and Karmanos part ways....sounds horrible. What was the judge thinking? What is the duration of this 2004 contract? Who benefits from this temporary injunction? Karmanos? No...the DMC? Not really, apart from the month to month lease revenues. The patients? Absolutely not. | ||
Crew Member Username: Crew Post Number: 1319 Registered: 02-2004 |
The DMC still collects ancillary revenue from Karmanos patinets. That's the reason Duggan wants them to stay. The arguement that Karmanos would lose access to DMC research isn't true. The DMC does very little research on its own. The research happening on DMC's campus is sponsored by Wayne State, not the DMC. The university sponsored research moves with the faculty-physicians and is not linked to the DMC hospitals. | ||
Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1785 Registered: 11-2003 |
An article in today's paper on the ruling: http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20070711/BUSINES S06/707110319/1002 | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 720 Registered: 10-2006 |
I agree that there should be a monetary settlement that allows Karmanos to move. Duggan has incredibly managed to poison two major long-term relationships at the same time: WSU and now Karmanos. Where are the calls for him to be fired??? | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1684 Registered: 02-2007 |
I'm not a big fan of them moving, because it will again hurt the DMC, leaving a big gaping hole at the center. I'd prefer the places to stay in one Central Location. I see though that I'm the oddball. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1685 Registered: 02-2007 |
Why doesn't Karmanos open Riverview as sort of a smaller Campus and then keep the DMC location as the Main Campus. You can keep the clinics and Patience at the Riverview Campus and keep other patience and the research at the DMC? That way, it will fill the Hospital on the Eastside and won't leave a big gaping hole in place in the DMC. | ||
Detroit_girl Member Username: Detroit_girl Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2003 |
Many of the patients would prefer that it remain there too. Karmanos patients receive other medical treatments at DMC hospitals on one campus rather than driving across town in a less-than-heathy condition. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 1687 Registered: 02-2007 |
Unfortunately, profit and the lack of cooperation are the only issues bigger than the patients. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4791 Registered: 08-2004 |
Reetz12, part of the Detroit neighborhood around St. John Hospital already has a Grosse Pointe mailing address. All it does is say which post office your area belongs to. It has nothing to do with any tax, residency, or school district issues. That new pavilion will be at least 2/3 in Detroit, with 1/3 being in Grosse Pointe Woods. The way it stands, about 90% of the Medical Center buildings will be located in Detroit, with about 2/3 of the Medical center land area in Detroit. And the adjacent St. John owned Pointe Plaza shopping and office center is about 75% in Detroit, 25% in Grosse Pointe Woods. That parcel is also the easternmost point in the city of Detroit | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3228 Registered: 02-2005 |
St. John definitely wants out of the inner-city, though. It's not profitable, and it sucks that people in the inner areas of Detroit will be put in danger by the lack of emergency rooms between the Woodward corridor (DMC/Henry Ford) and the outer reaches. That would be a cheap shot if the main St. John campus on Moross changes to a Grosse Pointe Woods mailing address. It wouldn't change any facts, it will only display the childish nature of some of their administration. I know plenty of people who work there, btw, and I'll definitly lambaste their employer if such a stupid thing happens. More important than mailing addresses, though, is this trend of moving hospital beds to the areas where you know a higher % of people are insured, where you know you'll get more $$. It's a market, and I respect that, but St. John is a non-profit that has been able to cover its expenses for awhile now, even with Riverview Hosp., so moving away from the city may get them more revenue to spend, but that's about it. It betrays their "Catholic" mission if they believe its more important to add some bells and whistles to their facilities in locations that already have tons of hospital coverage than to provide basic emergency coverage to the inner city. | ||
Crew Member Username: Crew Post Number: 1322 Registered: 02-2004 |
This story isn't over...... | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1310 Registered: 10-2006 |
Maybe Detroit will keep "enforcing the red tape" and Karmanos Institute will find it easier to just move out to the 'burbs.' | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 985 Registered: 11-2006 |
Good point Charlottepaul, maybe they will bide their time and partner with Beaumont/Oakland University when they open their med school in 2010. Can anyone figure out why MSU would enter a relationship with the DMC/Duggan? Do they have a death wish? Let's see, there is a suitor who tried to kill their last 2 partners, I know, let's hook up with them!! | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4798 Registered: 08-2004 |
Guess what people? St. John Hospital (which is in Detroit) has had a Grosse Pointe mailing address (48236 Zip Code) for decades. All of the far east side east of Canyon Ave. (eastern perimeter of Balduck Park) has a Grosse Pointe mailing address, even though all the homes and business ARE in Detroit. North of I-94 the zip code border becomes Kingsville, the street separating Detroit from Harper Woods. So don't blame St. John, blame the US Postal Service!  (Message edited by Gistok on July 12, 2007) | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 727 Registered: 10-2006 |
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument gistok. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 4817 Registered: 08-2004 |
LOL... thanks Yvette248, I just sprayed pop all over my keyboard reading your post!  | ||
Ortho313 Member Username: Ortho313 Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2006 |
The new US News and World Report rankings are out and Karmanos didn't even make the cancer list this year. Will have to wait to see if adding "operating room on stilts" helps. |
