Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 363 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 4:55 am: | |
Attendance record 2.73M likely to fall. Detnews has a bit. "We feel comfortable projecting 2.8 million (for the season) at this time," said Duane McLean, senior vice president for business operations for the Tigers. Good for the Tigs and downtown Detroit. |
Lmichigan Member Username: Lmichigan
Post Number: 5740 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:35 am: | |
For some context, what has been the approximate season attendance for the past few years? |
Rjk Member Username: Rjk
Post Number: 762 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:06 am: | |
http://www.baseball-reference. com/teams/DET/attend.shtml |
Emu_steve Member Username: Emu_steve
Post Number: 364 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 7:53 am: | |
Quote: "For some context, what has been the approximate season attendance for the past few years?" Went to rjk's referenced site and pulled out the '03 attendance: 1,368,245 The '07 home attendance will be 2 x the '03 attendance. It shows the tremendous support of Detroit sports fans. And for fans of other MLB teams or other sports (such as MAC sports) this really shows the absolute dramatic effect winning can have. It is virtually impossible to understate it in the Tigers' case. There is no other explanation for the two fold increase in attendance other then winning. |
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell
Post Number: 3948 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 9:33 am: | |
That's great news! A pennant-chasing team is the best thing to happen to the steadily rising downtown Detroit. I remember being so disappointed that we had such a losing and colorless team when the new stadium first opened. Baseball, which occurs in warm weather, has more spill over effect than anything else. And happy crowds make the party continue. Now that many from the "lost generation" [those who stopped or never visited downtown] are re-learning downtown Detroit, the long term effect is very promising and will continue to drive business, housing sales and interest in other downtown offerings. Detroit Rises! |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 217 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:44 pm: | |
Dream on! Those folks leave after the game more often than not. Until crime goes down, people's values change and the schools improve nothing will bring people back except for a few expensive spots downtown. You can't make Detroit great with the sports crowd stopping off for a beer before and after a game. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1103 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
There's always some snotty fuck who mistakes influence for causation. No one's saying the Tigers will bring back Detroit. |
Buzzman0077 Member Username: Buzzman0077
Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:12 pm: | |
Paulmcall your such a debbie downer. What it does is hopefully help improve people's perception of the D. Which would would encourage those people who for years haven't spent a lot of time downtown that it's worth another visit, maybe to the museums, theatres, belle isle, or riverwalk. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3143 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:29 pm: | |
"Until crime goes down..." The places at hand in this discussion, namely downtown, (you can toss in Midtown, too) are safer than the rest of southeast Michigan. As I've said before, we really need to break down the city into segments to assess its progress. Violent crime may not be decreasing, unfortunately, in certain wards in the northwest side or far east side, etc., and clearly the schools still have major questions surrounding them, but that does not change the fact that downtown and a handful of other neighborhoods are seeing rapid economic growth and are improving on already great safety records. The people who do move into these gentrifying neighborhoods probably aren't paranoid about the crime in outer neighborhoods, probably aren't worried about the schools because they are young or have the means for private schools, and are probably of a positive mindset much different than yours anyway, Paulmcall. Now, the Tigers are a way of life for a lot of people who also happen to love the city. I would consider living downtown or Brush Park for multiple reasons. 1) Being within walking distance of the job I hope to have. 2) Living in a cool place. and 3) Being able to go to most Tiger home games. And even if, say, only a quarter of fans go out to eat downtown before or after the game, the economic impact of all these 40,000 crowds is still sizable. You can start with all the money from parking. Plus, the Tigers draw tons of out-of-towners and 'baseball travelers' who go from city to city (and now Detroit is toward the top of their list), and this helps downtown hotels. |
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313
Post Number: 387 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:40 pm: | |
Bad post Paul! I would love to live close to it all. For those who live 30minutes away from the city, they are missing out on the best place in Michigan, and one of the best in the world. <313> |
Knocturnal Member Username: Knocturnal
Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 7:38 pm: | |
I, myself, have brought several out of town friends to a game, followed by other downtown activities afterwards. I think that their perceptions of Detroit (downtown area) have changed, being that they were actually exposed to more than just attending a game and then leaving immediately thereafter. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 219 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 9:01 pm: | |
All I hear about is downtown on this site. That's part of the problem. It's been over 30 years just to get this far. What has been done for the neighborhoods? Restaurants and bars aren't going to bring this city back. |
Jb3 Member Username: Jb3
Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 9:14 pm: | |
Exactly. Where are the Next Detroit people on this blog? What are they doing? What can we expect in the near future? |
Scottr Member Username: Scottr
Post Number: 557 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 11:53 pm: | |
Paul, did all 140 sq miles of Detroit pop up overnight? Obviously not, it grew (mostly) from downtown out. Its resurgence is happening much the same way. No, restaurants and bars aren't going to bring the city back - but they are a good first step. These businesses are investing in Detroit, providing jobs and attracting new residents - and often ones with higher income than the average current Detroiter. That additional tax money goes to supporting the infrastructure and services which have long gone neglected or underfunded, and therefore works to the benefit of all residents. It isn't a zero-sum game, that any development in downtown means something didn't happen in the neighborhoods - if anything something happening downtown means something is MORE LIKELY to happen in the neighborhoods. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3151 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 12:22 am: | |
Well said, Scottr. |
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall
Post Number: 221 Registered: 05-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 8:33 am: | |
I'll believe it when I see it. Been over 30 years since the supposed Renaissance Center was going to jump start everything. I'm also waiting for all those great services to kick in. You can't even get the cops to answer runs. Try getting someone on a damn phone at city hall. You have two cities- downtown and the rest which get crumbs if anything. |
Long_in_the_tooth Member Username: Long_in_the_tooth
Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 9:06 am: | |
I was wonderering how often the mayor makes a game. I never see that guy around any more. |
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar
Post Number: 672 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 9:54 am: | |
Until Detroiters start taking pride in THEIR own neighborhoods why should anyone else care what is going on in them? My neighborhood is one of the few without major issues, but I still see blatant disrespect for the hood from many of our residents that prevent the neighborhood from taking any steps forward. A strong city and strong neighborhoods starts with the residents. Start taking some pride in your neighborhood and maybe your services will start improving. Example--why should the lighting department fix the street lights that went out because of a scrapper stealing wires when it will be back in that condition in a week? If the neighborhood steps up and makes sure that scrappers are caught then the city would be more likely to act favorably towards that neighborhood when there is a need for a fix up. I'm so sick of people in this city complaining about their neighborhoods, but doing nothing to help the situation. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1110 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
"Why does my neighborhood look like shit?" *as I toss my empty 40oz. to the curb and watch it shatter* |
Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle
Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 2:11 pm: | |
There are definitely pockets of people that seem to respect their neighborhoods more than others. I think these neighborhoods get better response from the city. Places like Woodbridge and Hubbard Farms that have strong community networks to let residences know whats happening not to mention security meetings. It doesnt help the education aspect but its does seem to effect other infrastructure like on time trash pickup and having delinquent vehicles towed within a day or two from making a call. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1111 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 6:10 pm: | |
It's pretty much a given here in Chicago that the best way to get something to happen in your neighborhood is get your alderman to care about it. Too bad Detroit doesn't see the wisdom in that form of council. |
321brian Member Username: 321brian
Post Number: 388 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, July 04, 2007 - 9:03 pm: | |
"And for fans of other MLB teams or other sports (such as MAC sports) this really shows the absolute dramatic effect winning can have." WOW! Emu_steve. Looks like money well spent on that education. Winning makes a difference in attendance? Ya, think? |
Dds Member Username: Dds
Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 12:00 am: | |
quote:Winning makes a difference in attendance? Ya, think? Funny. I don't recall the Lions having any winning seasons lately, yet they still have sellouts. |
Arrogancy Member Username: Arrogancy
Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:04 am: | |
Football is different; it sells out no matter what (Detroiters should actually stop going to Lions games to help the future of the team). There is a lot of spillover downtown after Tigers games; a whole lot, actually. The Tigers/Lions are really helping the businesses downtown, as are the casinos. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 914 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:28 am: | |
Anytime I go downtown for any reason, I usually make a night of it. Rarely do I go to just one thing and then go home. Usually like to end the night with some stuffed grape leaves at Pegasus. I'm addicted. @.@ With the lemon sauce of course. |
Harpernottingham Member Username: Harpernottingham
Post Number: 193 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 11:27 am: | |
I was at the game last night. I'm not sure that half the sellout crowd were even paying attention to the game. Bells and whistles galore. In between innings, you can't find the score of the game posted anywhere. It's just bang after whiz after pow. Wanna know the score of the game? You'd best double-check the scoreboard before the inning is over. If you wait a split second after the third out, you're too late. "I go out at 3 o'clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an AMUUUSEMENT park!" --Estelle Costanza |