  Dougw Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 1772 Registered: 11-2003 |
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/M ETRO/706260374 excerpt: quote: | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 603 Registered: 05-2005 |
Grandstand's plan is to release criminals early to save $92 million from the state budget. Criminals that will continue their free-for-all against the public. However, Grandstand will fight tooth and nail to preserve $42,000 annual average in benefits (not salary) to state bureaucrats. A $2.1 BILLION total just for state bureaucrat BENEFITS (not salary). She has clearly decided to pursue a policy of endangering the safety of the public (that's you and me, our kids, family, friends, neighbors) , rather than cut from the monsterously bloated state bureaucrat benefit package, rewarding those who voted for her most. This is corruption at its finest. | ||
Titancub Member Username: Titancub Post Number: 55 Registered: 08-2006 |
What the heck, let's save a buck and release some repeat offenders. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 681 Registered: 10-2006 |
Not as bad as the wave of Iraqi immigrants that are coming to Michigan within the next few days. It was reported that about 2,000 out of the total 7,000 plan to make their home in Michigan. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 9455 Registered: 10-2003 |
Are you really saying that Iraqi immigrants are worse than criminals getting out of jail early? Maybe, just maybe the Iraqi immigrants want to come to the US for a better life for themselves and their families. The majority of them will be hard working and decent memebers of their community. Some will open stores and create jobs, support community groups, etc and you state that you think the convicted criminals are better? Pretty pitiful comment if you ask me. For the future Iraqi immigrants - I say welcome to Metro Detroit and hope that you make a better life for your families. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 968 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote: What's so bad about a wave of Iraqi immigrants and how can you make such a negative and sweeping generalization? Many of my neighbors have been Iraqi immigrants and from experience I can say that they are law-abiding people. Also speaking from experience, the only immigrants I know who were violent were a small group of Albanian and Yugoslav miscreants who quickly found out the hard way that our city did not tolerate drive-by shootings. | ||
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell Post Number: 3923 Registered: 10-2003 |
I heard that the early releases are all non-violent offenders. There are a lot of people crowding the prisons on drug possession raps making Michigan is second in the country in incarceration rates. Time to end penalties for drug use or possession by adults. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 765 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Not as bad as the wave of Iraqi immigrants that are coming to Michigan within the next few days. It was reported that about 2,000 out of the total 7,000 plan to make their home in Michigan." At least they're coming here legally. So therefore I have no problem with that. How many Iraqi immigrants do you know? Why do you hate them? | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 604 Registered: 05-2005 |
"I heard that the early releases are all non-violent offenders." Nice attempt at spin, but: Grandstand's Early Criminal Release includes those convicted of breaking and entering. Since you don't seem to mind, I hope it's your place they break into and not mine. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 715 Registered: 01-2007 |
True, this tidal wave of Iraqis as far as we know are not criminals. But like I say, how do we know? Could they be cleaning out their prisons, just like Wayne County is? Since we're talking in terms of antidotes, there are plenty of "drive by's" that I've heard about on the scanner that never make it into the papers. I'm sure they will be welcomed here by the parolees. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 2448 Registered: 07-2004 |
Thanks for telling the truth future city. That whole myth about people being in prison for drug possesion is just that a myth. In fact I read of one law enforcement offical pondering the last time someone was imprisoned for possesion.......he could not remember. I am around a lot of users........people that posess........the courts give them many options other than incarceration........... Lets face it our governor is just not very good.True some things, many things are out of her control but as a leader she fails to inspire. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 685 Registered: 10-2006 |
Soooo, basically, the people on this post is ready to put a halo on a bunch of foreigners that you know absolutely nothing about, but condemn a bunch of Americans that you likewise know absolutely nothing about. Geez, and you want me to believe that I'M the one with the problem??? | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1521 Registered: 11-2003 |
So what will the per-homicide savings be to the state? You know some of these mo-fos are gonna start gangbangin again..... sombody's gonna end up dead. But it's okay cause the state saved some money? I say make the drugs legal. Takes a huge black market incentive away, hopefully violent crime will go down with it, as well as drug posession crimes. They can then focus on whats left and hopefully have room in the jails for those people. Of course if the drugs are legal, how many people might start getting killed for the cash to buy the stuff? Probably still better than killing over bad deals, etc. This is a BAD idea...... | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2549 Registered: 10-2003 |
Release drug users - OK. Release drug dealers - likely more dealer-on-dealer crime with some innocent bystanders hurt, but OK, I guess. Release car thieves - what are they going to do in Michigan's current economy, get a job at Ford's? Better put three Clubs on your steering wheel and put your rims under your bed every night. Release B&E types - uh oh, they're gonna get the rims under your bed. Release the rest of the "non-violent offenders" - these repeat offenders are not going to suddenly all go straight, and the State can't possibly keep a tight enough leash on them to keep them from committing more crime. This is not a good idea. I think we should surrender in the war on drugs, but failing that, releasing a bunch of "non-violent offenders" is not going to improve our quality of life. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 2443 Registered: 12-2005 |
As I understand it, breaking and entering is properly considered a non-violent crime. It's a crime against property, not person. Home invasion of course would be an entirely different matter. quote:This is very unpleasant news. Are there any proactive efforts to recruit more civilian volunteers for neighborhood patrols? It might help to get that ramped up in case it's needed. (Message edited by Jimaz on June 26, 2007) | ||
Jerome81 Member Username: Jerome81 Post Number: 1523 Registered: 11-2003 |
If you went to prison once, got out, and then did something to get you put back in, you really think these guys aren't going to do something a 3rd time to get their asses sent back to the slammer? Why even let them out? Most will come right back. But then somebody is gonna have to get hurt or have property damaged, and we're gonna have to prosecute them AGAIN, and the cops are gonna have to investigate AGAIN and on and on. Just leave them in there. Save the injuries/death/destruction/cou rt/cop costs. 1 time in prison and came out straight, okay maybe I can accept that. But if you been in 2x, you screwed up TWICE. Why should they be let back? They're gonna do it three times.... Is the state even considering the costs of having to apprehend or prosecute or incarcerate X% of repeat offenders? They might be saving millions in CURRENT prison costs. But how much does that dwindle when you assume X% are going to have to be caught, prosecuted and imprisoned again for $Y each? I bet the $92 million bucks savings drops quite a bit.... | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 199 Registered: 05-2004 |
This is what happens when people don't want to pay more taxes or have more prisons built. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 3691 Registered: 10-2003 |
or spend more money on education, which is much cheaper than incarceration. Whatever the city needs, it does not need any more folks with B&E Skills. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 2448 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote:$90,000,000 ÷ 2,539 = $35,447 per parolee to be saved. But the $92 million figure is annual and the 2,539 is quarterly so maybe $90,000,000 ÷ (2,539 × 4) = $8,862 per parolee is a more realistic savings. I dunno. How much monetary damage does an average special parolee cause once released into this job climate? (I understand Wayne county's figures would be worse. I'm trying to see the state's perspective.) (Message edited by Jimaz on June 26, 2007) | ||
Spongebob Member Username: Spongebob Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2006 |
70 % of released prisoners, come back to prison with a new case or on a parole violation. Public Safety is in danger because of what the Governor is doing. Lock your doors, and get ready. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 605 Registered: 05-2005 |
Grandstand is clearly pursuing a Policy Of Disaster for Michigan. The VERY LAST course of action in ANY government belt tightening measures should be one that RELEASES CRIMINALS to prey upon the public. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 118 Registered: 02-2007 |
It's a shame we have to invest so much into a group of folks who have such little regard for our way of life and laws. It is a waste of resources and counterproductive to try and rehabilitate them. Depending on the circumstances, I can see someone making a mistake and winding up in the slammer the first time, the second and third time are right off the charts for understanding how they wound up there. As ridiculous as this may sound, crime is such a problem in this country and so many dollars thats states dont have is being spent without choice on these folks. I think it's time they set up off shore penal colonies again. Why should we risk our loved ones, personal property and potentially our own lives to try and live with these people. Why are we being forced to potentially be subjected to their lawlessness? They have made it abundantly clear they have little regard for anyone else. Show them the same. Send them away to some remote area and let them kill each other. It's clear the time has come where we cannot afford to adequately imprison these people in our present systems for the duration of their intended sentence. Crazy idea? We send troops off to hellish environments. We have Gitmo.. These folks deserve better? Three strikes you're out? How about three strikes, you're gone. |
